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HAHAHA! OK, that was funny!
I agree that open carry is the best defensive posture, but in the real world it is best used when actually being attacked.
I see it more like this:
Posted on 09/10/2019 6:42:58 AM PDT by Enlightened1
This video takes a look at what happens when you open-carry with a pistol in a Walmart store. The location is Lexington, Kentucky and this man was permanently banned from all Walmart's in the USA.
Do not blame the police as they are doing there job by request of Wally World. Whether business or personal property, you can have a person permanently removed and banned from re-entering. Your thoughts about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pnhvWXbD1w
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There is the rub. Is it up to the employee to declare he feels unsafe if he sees an open carrier?
Simple employee training is paramount. A gun in a holster is not a threat. A gun out of a holster may be. A store employee should be fired on the spot if he calls the police on a person open carrying where the gun is always holstered and the person is not acting dangerously. This works for pistols. I don't open carry rifles in stores so I will defer to others for that. I would think that would be a little more challenging. Like rifle slung so that it never muzzles anyone, probably bolt open, and certainly safety on, though an untrained observer would not be able to tell such things.
Personally, I prefer CC in a store or public environment. Open carry seems more appropriate in a outdoor setting, not in crowds, hiking, camping, etc. But that is not to say one shouldn't be able to open carry where its legal.
I see an opportunity here. Walmart, or others, might be ripe for externally provided employee training by qualified experts in safe gun education, safe gun handling, and threat awareness. Would be good if all these snowflake store employees actually got properly introduced to the great equalizer.
I do the same thing, and we have open carry in TN. Why advertise? What I won’t do is buy my guns or ammo from Walmart.
The closest store is 15 mins away, and they have basically gone Self Check out. I’m not shopping where I have to bag my own groceries. I’m not supposed to lift more than 5 lbs my back is to degenerative. Kroger’s just put in more self check outs. Fine for 1 or 2 small items not fine for a weeks groceries. No shelf stocker is worth $15 an hr.
I know that is what the brain washing says.
What about a business that says no to gay wedding cakes?
They can’t do that.
Ditto with guns.
IMHO every business has the right to ban guns from their premises and I have the right to shop somewhere else.
However, any business that prohibits guns should be held strictly for any victims of gun violence on their premises because if they say no guns are allowed they are lying. Only people who care about complying with the law are disarmed.
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Maybe this ban suggestion of theirs is where you part company, and you just quit shopping there. Then you let your neighbors, associates, relatives, etc....know the position you took, and in twelve months...Wal-Mart will have a meeting to grasp how they lost 25-percent of their normal profits. You survived before Wal-Mart ever arrived in your neighborhood....you can survive now and help other stores profit over their mistake.
Ditto or any business that does not respect the Bill of Rights.
I refuse to do business with them.
Here is my list
McDonald’s (since 2011 because of Obamacare)
Starbucks (Since 2015)
Walmart (2019)
CVS (2019)
Kroger (2019)
NFL (2017 disrespecting the flag that is draped over our soldiers and police funerals)
You are an idiot.
What about a business that says no to gay wedding cakes?
They can’t do that.
Ditto with guns.
Thing is, on your own property, you have the right to have your own rules. And if someone doesn’t want to abide by them, they are free to leave. Only if you prevent them from leaving are you violating their rights.
And that includes situations where your property is open to the public. If that is NOT the case, it means you are giving up your constitutional rights to do business with the public on your own property in order to make your living. That, obviously, is also unconstitutional, though activists on the court have much weakened that.
There is no “element of surprise” in a defensive situation, except your surprise when they steal your piece along with your wallet.
You are an idiot.
On a side note, I’ve not given you enough information to make a statement regarding my level of idiocy. :D
That’s not an “ad-hom”... It’s a clinical observation.
Open carry is by far the best defensive posture. It’s deterrent, not reactive.
No business can legally decide who they can and cannot do business with until the politically correct police state determines what moral influence has been considered in such a private decision.
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You may have a point here, it is possible that Walmart could take you to court and with a liberal judge win a case. With an intelligent lawyer however I think Walmart would be liable if they tried to remove you from the store and you weren’t doing anything wrong even though you did something wrong before.
yep ,just pull your shirt over it
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HAHAHA! OK, that was funny!
I agree that open carry is the best defensive posture, but in the real world it is best used when actually being attacked.
I see it more like this:
To declare a business to be gun free is the same as to paint a giant bullseye on the front door.
Do you have to sign a "national ban" consent form if you don't wear a shirt into Wal-Mart?
> going out in public open carrying is kinda stupid. <
Agreed. I have long felt that concealed carry should require no permit, but open carry should. Here’s my analogy. The 1A protects your right to possess erotica (porno). So if you want to walk around with porno in your pocket or in your briefcase, go right ahead. But pinning it to your shirt, that would be a bit much.
> once you leave the street and walk into a private business, you are subject to their rules. <
I’m struggling a bit more with that one, but yeah, I think you’re right. Here’s my thinking. I can stand on a public sidewalk and hold a sign saying “Walmart is terrible.” The 1A protects me there. But Walmart most certainly can stop from entering their store with that sign.
Some people get nervous around guns. I remember my wife taking her road test for a driver’s license when we returned back to the US from England. She was so nervous she failed because the police officer carried a gun. They gave her a second chance with an officer without a gun and she passed.
I don’t think I would ever open carry if it became legal here in NJ (HaHa) because I think it looks stupid; I would always conceal so as not to upset anyone.
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