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Faithless Electors Who Break Their Promise Rightly Can Be Punished
The Daily Signal ^
| June 27, 2019
| Hans von Spakovsky, and Greg Walsh
Posted on 07/02/2019 2:53:46 PM PDT by Yosemitest
Long before discussions of impeachment became commonplace, a means of denying President-elect Donald Trump the White House was floated and circulated among liberal groups.
They formed a national alliance shortly after the 2016 election designed to manipulate the Electoral College by persuading and pressuring electors not to vote for Trump when members of the Electoral College met to cast their votes on Dec. 19, 2016, but to vote for an alternative candidate.
As we all know, they were not successful.
But what happened to the small handful of electors who broke their pledges ?
There were seven nationwide, including four in the state of Washington.
Are there any consequences when an elector changes his vote ?
Can states punish faithless electors ?
According to a recent decision by the Washington state Supreme Court, the answer is yes.
In the Matter of Levi Guerra, Esther V. John, and Peter B. Chiafalo, the state Supreme Court explained that some electors nationwide including the defendants in this case announced that
they would not vote for either [Hillary] Clinton or Trump
and would instead attempt to prevent Trump from receiving the minimum number of Electoral College votes required to be president.
They apparently hoped that would throw the election into the hands of the House of Representatives.
When the Electoral College met, three of the Washington state electors who had pledged to vote for Hillary Clinton instead cast their votes for retired Gen. Colin Powell and one for a leader of the Yankton Sioux Nation, Faith Spotted Eagle.
As a result, they were fined $1,000 each under a state statute for failing to vote for the nominee of their political party.
Three of the electors appealed a lower court decision against them to the Supreme Court of Washington.
The electors claimed that the state law violated Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution(which delineates the process whereby electors convene and cast their ballots),
as well as the First and 12th Amendments (providing a right to free speech, including through voting, and amending the process whereby electors cast their ballots, respectively).
They argued that as presidential electors, they perform a federal function
and that electors are intended to exercise independent judgment in casting their ballots.
By imposing a fine, they said, the state was interfering with a federal function in violation of the Constitution.
But writing for an 8-1 majority, Chief Justice Barbara Madsen disagreed.
Madsen went through a detailed history of the reasons that the delegates at the Constitutional Convention created the Electoral College, noting that the manner of appointment of electors was left to the states.
She cited the important fact that presidential electors were understood to be instruments for expressing the will of those who selected them, not independent agents authorized to exercise their own judgment.
Madsen discussed a 1934 case raised by the electors interpreting the Federal Corrupt Practices Act, Burroughs v. U.S., in which the U.S. Supreme Court held that electors perform a federal function when they cast their ballots in the Electoral College.
However, they are not officers or agents of the federal government, and the Federal Corrupt Practices Act does not interfere with the power of a state to appoint electors or the manner in which their appointment
was made.
According to the ruling in Burroughs, the federal statute in no sense invades any exclusive state power.
Madsen also cited another U.S. Supreme Court case, Ray v. Blair (1952), in which the court held that an Alabama statute requiring electors to pledge their votes to a specific party candidate in primaries was constitutional.
According to Madsen, the Ray case supports the argument that nothing in the Constitution prohibits a state from imposing certain conditions on electors as a part of the states appointment powers, including requiring electors to pledge their votes.
Furthermore, the 12th Amendment simply requires the electors to meet at the specified date and time outlined by Congress and to cast two votes for qualified candidates one for president and one for vice-president.
That provision does not limit a states authority in adding requirements to presidential electors.
Thus, it is clearly within the power of a state such as Washington to impose a fine on electors for failing to uphold their pledge,
and that fine does not interfere with any federal function outlined in the [12th] Amendment.
Madsen also rejected the electors First Amendment claim.
Electors, she wrote, are carrying out a state government duty.
Their power to cast a vote in the Electoral College comes from the State, and the elector has no personal right to that role.
When they choose to be nominated as electors by their political party, they do so subject to the rules and limitations that attend the position.
They also have the ability to step down as electors without penalty if they do not want to honor their pledge.
Thus, the casting of electoral ballots does not implicate the First Amendment.
There have been faithless electors throughout our history, but their number has been relatively small, and they have never come close to affecting the outcome of a presidential election.
As the Supreme Court of Washington correctly concluded, fining those who break their pledge is constitutional
and well within the authority given to state legislatures to appoint electors in such manner as they choose.
It is also fully within that same constitutional authority for states, as some do, to provide that faithless electors will be replaced before states certify the votes of their Electoral College electors.
TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: constitution; constructionism; constructionist; electoralcollege; faithlesselectors; nationalpopularvote; npv; scotus
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Well !
How will the cheating' DemocRATS fight that ?
To: Yosemitest
If all previous law breaking won’t stop them, how will this be any different????
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posted on
07/02/2019 2:57:41 PM PDT
by
GraceG
("If I post an AWESOME MEME, STEAL IT! JUST RE-POST IT IN TWO PLACES PLEASE")
To: Yosemitest
Too late for the 2016 Hussein Head electors?
To: Yosemitest
They will attempt to do away with the EC completely.
To: GraceG
Our Founding Fathers would have already tried them, and found them guilty.
Then they would have given them the punishment they so richly deserve, at the short end of a rope,.
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posted on
07/02/2019 3:00:43 PM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Yosemitest
They also have the ability to step down as electors without penalty Is that really true?
When I was younger I know that the names of each elector were on the ballot. Now they are not, at least here in NJ, but my understanding is that the Parties must file a "Slate of Electors." That is, their names are known. I don't believe they can be replaced.
If one could be replaced, and that person announced his/her/its intention NOT to vote for the Party's candidate before submitting his/her/its vote, it seems to me that the Party would take the initiative to do so.
ML/NJ
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posted on
07/02/2019 3:12:10 PM PDT
by
ml/nj
To: Yosemitest
AOC says she wanted to go to Electoral College but went to BU instead.
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posted on
07/02/2019 3:12:57 PM PDT
by
bigbob
(Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
To: billyboy15
They will try but it will take a Constitutional Amendment to accomplish and will ultimately meet the same fate as the Equal rights Amendment.
To: Yosemitest
Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
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posted on
07/02/2019 3:21:07 PM PDT
by
PGalt
To: ml/nj
Why do they have to be people? Why not just deliver 23 votes (or whatever it is in a given state) en masse? Take the stupid humans out of it.
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posted on
07/02/2019 3:23:54 PM PDT
by
fhayek
To: bigbob
The reason AOC takes a plane to DC is because every time she walked to the subway they tried to sell her a sandwich.
To: fhayek
Why not just deliver 23 votes Small thing called the Constitution.
ML/NJ
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posted on
07/02/2019 3:44:16 PM PDT
by
ml/nj
To: Yosemitest
Bottom line on the electoral vote in 2016:
- Trump had two faithless electors from Texas (both Paultards as I recall) who refused to vote for him.
- Her Royal Thighness had five faithless electors from Washington and Hawaii who refused to vote for her
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posted on
07/02/2019 3:49:40 PM PDT
by
Vigilanteman
(The politicized state destroys all aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
To: ml/nj
...and I would have gotten away with it, if it weren’t for that meddling Constitution....
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posted on
07/02/2019 3:52:17 PM PDT
by
fhayek
To: Yosemitest
Did the WA Supreme Court also change the delegates votes to the proper candidate?
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posted on
07/02/2019 4:24:05 PM PDT
by
dirtymac
(Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country! Now)
To: Yosemitest
Nonsense. Read Federalist 68. The political parties horribly corrupted the EC.
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posted on
07/02/2019 4:37:17 PM PDT
by
Jacquerie
(ArticleVBlog.com)
To: Yosemitest
How will the cheating' DemocRATS fight that ? What a bargain only a measly grand buys an electoral vote, I think Jebbie spent a hundred Million for the one he got.
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posted on
07/02/2019 4:55:24 PM PDT
by
itsahoot
(Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
To: Yosemitest
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posted on
07/02/2019 7:38:42 PM PDT
by
Gene Eric
(Don't be a statist!)
To: fhayek
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posted on
07/02/2019 11:29:30 PM PDT
by
Don W
(When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
To: Yosemitest
Not that I like the implications, but IMHO when the Constitution says that
- Article II Section 1:
- Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
. . . they were isolating the presidency from the popular vote. The Electors were to elect the president, not the people. It would have been easy for them to have assigned the role to the people at large, and they did not do it. The electors are chosen by public ballot in each state, but that is by state law. The States elect the POTUS, via the mechanism of the Electoral College. But that mechanism involves the appointment of people who cast ballots, not the casting of ballots by the states themselves.
The thinking of the framers is IMHO illustrated by the fall-back position in the event that the Electors dont vote in a majority for any one candidate. Namely, the House of Representatives - with each state delegation casting a single vote - elects the POTUS. In such case, there is no direct link between the popular vote and the vote for POTUS. That would be a great way to elect a Republican POTUS - I havent researched the question, but I venture to suggest that a majority of the state delegations in the House are majority Republican. Note that CA, NY, and IL are cancelled out by AK, OK, and AL in that voting scheme.
Now that would cause a real uproar among the Demos!
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posted on
07/03/2019 12:32:44 PM PDT
by
conservatism_IS_compassion
(Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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