Skip to comments.This is What Civil War Looks Like
Posted on 01/14/2019 3:26:22 PM PST by huckfillary
The partial government shutdown is about more than a shutdown. Its civil war. There are not guns or violence, at least not yet. The U.S. military has not turned against any portion of the citizens. Nobody has openly called for secession yet, at least to the point where it can credibly happen. Not just yet. Yet all these things are just beneath the surface. Any one of these things could happen, almost at any time, although for perfectly understandable reasons most of us prefer not yet to know it.
Donald Trump came along in the midst of this growing crisis. He didnt start the fire, nor did his supporters. He merely represents the frustration and outrage of the half or so of the population who has simply had enough. The people who dominate all those red counties on the political map, and who also comprise a sturdy but usually silent minority (bigger than you think) in those blue map locations.
A civil war, in psychological terms, happens when two sides reach a point of irreconcilable differences. The government shutdown and the border wall, while very important issues, are not the only issues dividing this country. The country is divided on even bigger things, such as whether we should move toward higher taxes and socialism or lower taxes and capitalism; more regulation or less regulation; more control for the Democratic-Republican establishment in D.C., or less. Should we use all our military force against militant Islam, or bow down and blame ourselves, as Obama did? Should we permit other countries China, European countries the advantages of capitalism while imposing on ourselves the disadvantages of socialism? Or should we fight back, as President Trump has done?
The root issue of all political conflict, including our own, boils down to one factor: The individual versus the state. Does the individual have the right to make up ones own mind about ones life, or should government be involved in making many or most decisions for us? Whether the issue is gay marriage, abortion, taxes, capitalism/socialism, whether or when to utilize military force, what the budget should be, or anything else, thats what it all boils down to. Even the border wall issue applies here. To border wall advocates, its an issue of whether the federal government should set up boundaries between our (hopefully) free country and individuals or nations who are not free, who may be hostile and threatening, and should in some way be screened before coming into our (hopefully) free country. This didnt used to be controversial. But the Democrats have moved so far left no border wall, no borders at all that the divide seems new, and it is new for that reason.
Our country today reminds me so, so much of a marriage at the end of its time. I am sorry to say it, but its true. Sometimes a marriage therapist tells a couple, It just seems like so much work. Youre fundamentally divided on so many matters. Why dont you just divide up your property and go your separate ways? Set yourselves free? There are times when its rational to conclude this, which is why divorce and breakups are often rational.
The smart couples do break up and rationally divide up their property even time with their children and move on, often to better and calmer lives. Will that happen in America? Not a chance, based on the way it looks right now.
Americans no longer seem to agree on the fundamentals. The Second Amendment is now up for grabs. For years, Democrats have claimed to support the Second Amendment in theory, but now they are prepared to pass legislation in effect outlawing guns (or ammunition, which is the same thing). It turns out when they said, for all those years, that the Second Amendment applies to the military, not to individuals, even peaceful ones, they really meant it. This alone is an unsustainable and unresolvable difference. Am I wrong? Prove me wrong. Id love to be wrong. I see no compromise on this point.
And now the First Amendment could be at risk too. Increasingly, it seems that leftists, self-described progressives and Democrats really mean it when they say, Hate speech isnt protected by the First Amendment. Seriously? What is hate speech? I have been called a promoter of hate speech for supporting President Trump on many matters and opposing Democrats. Is that what weve come to? Is hate speech now speech I dont like? And regardless of how one defines hate speech, how on earth do you reconcile the First Amendment with anyones speech however its characterized being subject to any kind of government regulation or chilling whatsoever?
When two or more parties disagree on matters of principle, youre at a point of civil breakdown. The First and Second Amendments are at the top of our Bill of Rights for a reason. When the two major political parties disagree on these two most precious components of individual liberty the right to defend your body and to speak your mind then civility is over. What a literal civil war would look like, in the twenty-first century in the USA, I frankly have no idea. Maybe were already in it. The government shutdown is a metaphor for the impossible, irreconcilable differences between two schools of thought. I keep thinking: This is what civil war looks like. Each side wants the other to humble him- or herself. But its not going to happen. Never, ever with the Democrats, who have never once caved on anything, ever. And no longer with the dissenters or so-called deplorables, at least if President Trump is any indication.
I dont know the answer or solution. I only know one thing: The cause of the breakdown, whenever it happens, always resides in the most important issue in any political or social matter: The individual versus the state. If there is any solution to find, it will be there.
Usually in a civil war all sides suffer casualties. Get back to me when the DEMs are made to pay for their assault on our country.
It will be a civil war when folks start shooting, and they ain’t started shooting. Yet...
Because of the shutdown, the SNAP office in Memphis is experiencing mayhem. Its been since 1978 since the natives of that city have rioted and long overdue. I predict this is going to be the race of professional victim’s next step.
Americans no longer share common values that make a reasonable social consensus possible. Without that consensus,the culture erodes.Think about it. Would you want an abortion loving, homosexual appeasing, politically correct agnostic in the fox hole next to you? Would you trust such a person? Would you sacrifice your life for his? If you answer no to any of those questions and concede that probably 35-40% of the population has those “values”, then realize that it might not be a violent civil war, but a reckoning and division is coming.
Very well written and very true.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
As has been stated here before, the Founders would have already been shooting.
I wouldn’t really agree that the divide is between “the individual and the state”, the “state”, i.e. the nation-state, is what’s under assault, and what needs to be defended. The globalists would dissolve the nation-state in favor of unelected international bureaucracies like the EU, UN, etc., whereas patriots understand that it is only through a properly organized and limited nation-state that we can be free.
Cant even really agree on that. Certain school districts prohibit the very teaching of the founding documents. Ive known leftists in recent years that let it be known they hated them. I had a copy of the Declaration only office and have had coworkers literally sneer at it. To the authors point.
No shots yet...
only one side shooting
please contact Scalise for details and then speak to Rand Paul and his wife
Note: the first news reports including AP said Paul sort of feel in a shoving argument and the injury was a minor bruise and no problem.
Later: Every breath my husband takes, hundreds an hour, make him grimace and writhe in pain from the broken ribs and lung and muscle laceratins.—His wife.
Leftist biased news media knew they were lying about Rand Paul’s injuries.
The answer is secession. Let CA go. Let the NE go. The rest can move onto better more prosperous times.
he sort of “fell”....
Sorry for typo.
“As has been stated here before, the Founders would have already been shooting”.
That’s right. But they’d also take us to the woodshed for letting it get this far out of hand.
” Increasingly, it seems that leftists, self-described progressives and Democrats really mean it when they say, Hate speech isnt protected by the First Amendment. Seriously? What is hate speech? I have been called a promoter of hate speech for supporting President Trump on many matters and opposing Democrats. Is that what weve come to?”
All I can tell you is that it appears to be fine and dandy for new and old democrats to call President Trump; “a - MF’er”.
There was a time that the USA would take severe action against those that use such vile language (in public) against a sitting President.
CA and all of NE can go. Vaya con Dios. AMF.
But that will be the end result. That is what globalism eventually leads to.
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