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It's official: Bartholomew signs 'tomos' granting Ukrainian Church historic split from Russia
The Associated Press ^ | January 5, 2019 | Ayse Wieting and Zeynep Biginsoy

Posted on 01/05/2019 1:18:40 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

Edited on 01/05/2019 2:43:44 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

ISTANBUL (AP)

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: christendom; christianity; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 01/05/2019 1:18:40 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: Ad Orientam; antonius; aposiopetic; arielguard; bad company; blinachka; bob808; Brad's Gramma; ...
Orthodox Ping!

O heavenly King, O Comforter, the Spirit of Truth
who are in all places and fillest all things:
Treasury of good things and Giver of life:
Come and dwell in us and cleanse us from every stain,
and save our souls, O good One.

2 posted on 01/05/2019 1:34:26 PM PST by lightman (Obama's legacy in 13 letters: BLM, ISIS, & ANTIFA. New axis of evil.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

btw - Merry Orthodox Christmas (Jan 7)


3 posted on 01/05/2019 1:46:17 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: P.O.E.

Christos razhdayetsya! Slavite yoho!


4 posted on 01/05/2019 1:47:40 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I bet the Kalifornia Pols are looking at this thinking they can do the same thing with the USA. Well, in truth, The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia is already another country in most the ways that count. I bet Minnesota and parts of Michigan, NY, IL, MD, CT, and possibly a few others are thinking the same thing.

Perhaps we can work out a deal with Venezuela for all of them to be exiled/deported there. Commies of a feather and all that...


5 posted on 01/05/2019 2:00:56 PM PST by Boomer (Leftists destroy everything they touch)
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To: Boomer

Russia is the one funding and hosting military drills in Venezuela as we speak. Are you nostalgic for the Soviet Union as Putin is? Please don’t equate the USSR with the US of A.


6 posted on 01/05/2019 2:10:48 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: lightman

Lord have mercy. Bart will have to answer before God for the schism he has provoked.


7 posted on 01/05/2019 2:13:56 PM PST by NRx (A man of honor passes his father's civilization to his son without surrendering it to strangers.)
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To: NRx; lightman

I hope that Bart has to answer to a Council long before he has to answer to God!!!!

Lord have Mercy!!!!


8 posted on 01/05/2019 2:58:18 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: NRx

Patriarch Kirill will have to answer to God why he is subjugating his Church to Putin. Bulgaria, Georgia, Cyprus, Greece, Poland, Albania, Czech, Romania, Serbia, Romania, Moscow, Alexandria, Antioch and Constantinople have Autocephalous churches, but Ukraine with more than 40 million people should not be independent?


9 posted on 01/05/2019 3:06:46 PM PST by tlozo
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Funny... everyone of those churches you listed, excepting Constantinople, are refusing to recognize this farce.


10 posted on 01/05/2019 3:36:00 PM PST by NRx (A man of honor passes his father's civilization to his son without surrendering it to strangers.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

ANAXIOS! ANAXIOS! ANAXIOS!


11 posted on 01/05/2019 3:37:57 PM PST by NRx (A man of honor passes his father's civilization to his son without surrendering it to strangers.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

You’re looking at this way too deeply and assuming facts not in evidence. I’m simply saying the dem commies in America should go where they belong; a communist country.

Now let me ask you why you’re so sensitive about this?


12 posted on 01/05/2019 3:58:06 PM PST by Boomer (Leftists destroy everything they touch)
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Now let me ask you why you’re so sensitive about this?

The Putin-lovers running amok on FR, totally validating and praising any of his acts of neo-con style imperialism and aggression.

13 posted on 01/05/2019 4:02:14 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: Boomer

Also your ridiculous assertion that Ukraine (or Poland or Estonia etc...) wish to leave Russia’s Soviet grasp for good is somehow akin to Californian secession.


14 posted on 01/05/2019 4:04:21 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: Boomer
Also your ridiculous assertion that Ukraine (or Poland or Estonia etc...) wish to leave Russia’s Soviet grasp for good is somehow akin to Californian secession.

Though to clarify, what is happening within the Orthodox Church has historical origins going further back than USSR. And not all Orthodox believers see eye to eye on the issue.

15 posted on 01/05/2019 4:07:13 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I didn’t realize this was an uber religious thread. I try to stay out of them because I really don’t like talking about religion. My point of view was strictly political which is what this forum used to be all about.

Politics and religion is like oil and water IMHO.


16 posted on 01/05/2019 4:15:41 PM PST by Boomer (Leftists destroy everything they touch)
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To: Boomer

Well in Russia and the former Soviet space it’s crucial to understand the interactions between both. (Politics and Religion.) Putin has made it a point to combine the two on his corrupted terms and is now reaping the consequences. Sorry for sounding harsh, but my patience on these boards wear thin re: Russia/Putin. Sooo much misinformation about Russia out there among conservatives and the Democrat/Mueller garbage doesn’t help.


17 posted on 01/05/2019 4:20:12 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Perhaps you would do a better service by educating instead of criticizing.

Just sayin’. This is America after all and not Russia or the old Soviet Union. Our understanding of communism is bound to be different than yours since you lived in it while we are trying to avoid it. Even commie-lite like what CA has gotten to be (from my point of view).


18 posted on 01/05/2019 4:35:53 PM PST by Boomer (Leftists destroy everything they touch)
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Perhaps you would do a better service by educating instead of criticizing.

Agreed. Sorry. My experiences of Russia were recent. (I was barely born when USSR collapsed.) And you're right about California. It is resembling all the bad aspects of (modern) Russia, and verging on outright Soviet-era status in some areas. Very sad. But hope is not lost, change and some great leaders may yet emerge...

19 posted on 01/05/2019 4:41:02 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: NRx

“Lord have mercy. Bart will have to answer before God for the schism he has provoked.”

Technically no schism has been caused - and, ironically, two schisms may be healed by this.


20 posted on 01/05/2019 7:46:39 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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