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CA Bar shooting leaves 12 dead, including police sergeant
Fox News ^ | 11/08/18 | Katherine Lam, Stephen Sorace

Posted on 11/08/2018 6:41:53 AM PST by Pining_4_TX

Without saying a word, a mysterious man in black clutching a semi-automatic pistol opened fire on a California bar packed with college students celebrating "country night" Wednesday — claiming the lives of at least 12 patrons, including a veteran sheriff's sergeant nearing retirement, before officers found the gunman dead.

Hundreds of people -- including students from California Lutheran University, private Christian school Pepperdine University and California State University Channel Islands -- were inside Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, Calif., for the country music event when shots suddenly rang out at about 11:20 p.m., Ventura County police said. Police said at least 30 shots were fired and the gunman, armed with a .45-caliber handgun, used a smoke device to disorient and confuse his targets.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: borderlineshooting; ca; guns; ianlong; leo; officerdown; police; shooting; smokebombs; smokegrenades; thousandoaks
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To: dljordan
Has the perps Facebook page been wiped yet?

Like with a cloth?

41 posted on 11/08/2018 7:32:08 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Every time a lefty cries "racism", a Trump voter gets his wings.)
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To: dinodino

“Well, in every State in which I’ve had a CCW, you were prohibited from carrying in bars...”

In AZ you would be allowed to carry a concealed weapon into a bar provided: you have have a valid Concealed Weapons Permit, did not consume alcohol, and if the bar allowed it. If you violated one of the three you would be in big trouble.

42 posted on 11/08/2018 7:35:36 AM PST by chrisinoc
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To: wastoute
Tattooed trenchcoat-wearing gunman, 29, identified>

Tattooed trenchcoat-wearing ex-Marine, 29, is identified as gunman who massacred twelve people during student night at country bar: Suspect killed himself after hurling smoke grenades onto dance floor and slaying cop in California

Ian Long, 29, opened fire at Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, Southern California, at 11.20pm

43 posted on 11/08/2018 7:54:32 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Openurmind

“I’m going with prescription Psychotropic drugs again.”

No drug has the side effect of turning someone into a mass murderer.

I’m going with he was a thug, an evil piece of trash.

44 posted on 11/08/2018 9:13:35 AM PST by Blue House Sue
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To: JimRed

so early reports said this guy: abu al-hom kreuzi entered shouting allah ahkbar

late reports said his name is Long and he was a US Marine who said nothing when he entered the bar ... so which is it?

45 posted on 11/08/2018 9:34:15 AM PST by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: Blue House Sue

Most likely also true. But it has been recognized that the drugs can be a serious factor...

Just a little reading if you happen to find the time.

46 posted on 11/08/2018 9:52:05 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: chrisinoc
and if the bar allowed it

There's a lot of wiggle room on that one. While consuming any alcoholic beverage is an automatic fail for carrying, the notice must must be posted properly and legitimately so you can know. And in fact out-of-staters enjoying constitutional carry can just say "i didn't see the sign" and get an automatic free pass.

I noticed a Changing Hands bookstore in Phoenix had a proper sign posted by the front door, but no liquor license next to it. They had a separate restricted access section in the back with a bar and tasting room, liquor license posted but no proper sign next it. This is not a legal notice, and if you're carrying, you don't have to say anything or do anything as long as you don't drink. I don't bother pointing it out either, not my call to make sure they get it right.

47 posted on 11/08/2018 9:53:27 AM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote...)
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To: jyo19

I’m a CLU alumnus and contrary to what you may think, it is a LIBERAL arts college with emphasis on liberal. I attended for a hard science degree / mathematics and as a conservative in the 80’s, I was definitely in the minority and suspect it is as far left and liberal as any other university today. Even in the 80’s, the university was embracing of homosexuality, immorality, abortion, etc. Just look at the ELCA that funds it and you will have a good idea as to what the university holds dear.

Despite any of that, this is tragic and disturbs me greatly.

Prayers for all involved.

48 posted on 11/08/2018 11:13:41 AM PST by Liberal Anti Venom (Freedom exists not to do what you like, but having the right to do what you ought. ~John Paul II~)
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To: JimRed
Was the (presumably armed) Sheriff’s Sergeant shot first, or just slow to return fire?

Just heard on CBS radio he was first LEO through the door. I assumed he was present when the shooting started and the killer got the drop on him, thus the question.

49 posted on 11/08/2018 12:12:27 PM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: dinodino

Well, there is the law, and then there is what some people do to protect themselves. Wish someone there had been armed regardless.

50 posted on 11/08/2018 5:24:21 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (..Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you.. Joshua 1:9)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Agreed. My point was, law-abiding people usually follow the law, so it’s not surprising that there would have been a dearth of armed responders inside the establishment.

51 posted on 11/08/2018 5:38:05 PM PST by dinodino
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To: dinodino

I’m old. Sometimes I don’t catch stuff. :-)

52 posted on 11/09/2018 5:53:36 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (..Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you.. Joshua 1:9)
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