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Nailed by Steel Tariffs: Trump protectionism is driving a Missouri company to the brink.
Wall Street Journal ^ | September 9, 2018

Posted on 09/10/2018 8:36:08 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: HamiltonJay
They don't need to replace the the US consumer. That market may slow, but it will not go away. What they need is for internal consumer growth to pick up, which it will, and some orher new markets to pick up the slack. That isn't a tall order over the next 2 years or so.

That's why they aren't rushing to work this out. The voting block that controls the GOP wants this, and they will agitate for it even if it creates inflation and harms the economy.

61 posted on 09/10/2018 10:24:18 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Mr. K

“Trump should add that tarriff on imported chinese made final products.”

You NAILed it. Couldn’t resist the pun.

If Chinese made nails are the problem for the US company, Trump will solve that problem soon. Looks like he will add tariffs to all of China’s exports to the USA.


62 posted on 09/10/2018 10:24:22 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas
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To: reaganaut1

central_va. Comments?


63 posted on 09/10/2018 10:45:50 AM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: InterceptPoint

Gee, you mean tariffs have a downside. I always thought it was free money. Silly me.


64 posted on 09/10/2018 10:47:32 AM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: babble-on

Tariffs help the entire country, at the cost of the few.

You have that completely backwards. The tariffs are a voluntary tax the US Government receives for the entire country from the choice of “one.”

Where did you go to school?


65 posted on 09/10/2018 10:49:10 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Politically Correct

Problematic? This example will be used to hammer the Republicans and the President in the Fall elections, over and over again. Interviews with families of ten chilrun who are forced to turn to welfare, etc.


66 posted on 09/10/2018 10:51:46 AM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: HamiltonJay

A recession in China will make its currency stronger as all recessions do. An expanding economy makes it weaker.


67 posted on 09/10/2018 10:54:02 AM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: ConservativeMind

I would respond to you post but I cannot make head or tail of it. Tariffs are a voluntary tax? How you mean?

From the choice of “one” ? What does that mean? Who is the one? What is voluntary?

Tariffs take a good that another country can produce AND ship here more cheaply than we can just produce and then penalizes the people who want to buy those goods in order to protect the financial interests of the ipso facto less efficient domestic producer.


68 posted on 09/10/2018 10:59:15 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on
No one has to pay a tariff. It is just like a lottery ticket. Both are completely optional and are voluntary taxes. In fact, tariffs are completely able to be bypassed by buying a US made good. With lottery tickets, you can’t practically buy an actual lottery ticket that government doesn’t originate, so you’d have to play some other game.

Everyone paying a tariff chooses to pay it. Doing so helps reduce the need to penalize reportable income earning.

Tariffs penalize foreign good purchases. Income taxes penalize the earning of reportable income.

Which tax is healthier for ANY country?

69 posted on 09/10/2018 11:25:55 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: confederatecarpetbag

There was no alternative as a tax to the tariff at the Founding. Well, that is not entirely true since the federal government sold land for revenue as well.


70 posted on 09/10/2018 11:26:01 AM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: reaganaut1

“Mid Continent is the largest nail manufacturer in the U.S.”

Funny, I’ve never heard of them or seen their products and I live in MO.

Ahh, I see. (Magnum Fasteners) They make air nailer type nails and also hand driven nails but for hand nailing, only in 50 lb boxes. So basically, they’re market is professional construction.

http://www.magnumfasteners.com

Wonder if they could start selling 1 and 5 lb boxes to mid sized building supply stores like Meeks.

“Mid Continent Steel & Wire roots date back to 1952 when our parent
company founder, Don Cesar M. Gutierrez started a small wire shop in
Monterrey, Mexico. He started small as all entrepreneurs do, supplying
handmade chain link fence using second hand wire he purchased from
the U.S. This was merely the beginning of the journey of our parent
company, Deacero.

The origins of the name reflect the rich history of our subsidiary Mid
Continent Nail Corp with a presence in Missouri for over 25 years, which
joined the Deacero family in 2012. Its name convey the mission of our
company, to be located at the heart of the USA, reflecting and living the
values that make this country great such as hard work, respect,
optimism, a can-do attitude, and an indomitable spirit.”

So they’re a subsidiary of a Mexican company. Hey, that gives me an idea...


71 posted on 09/10/2018 12:06:09 PM PDT by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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To: Fido969

“Cheap foreign steel? No wonder all my nails seem to be bending lately.”

Heck, even the nails back in the early 70’s were imported and bent like crazy ... when i worked as a carpenter building houses then, one of the slightly older carpenters always like to claim that they were made of melted down beer cans that we shipped overseas ... he probably wasn’t too far off ...


72 posted on 09/10/2018 12:14:16 PM PDT by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: Cowboy Bob

[Does the tariff have a different impact depending on whether it is raw steel of a finished product? ]


The steel tariffs did not tax finished products like nails. If upcoming tariffs do, I’d expect the bubbly to flow freely at US plants that make hardware.


73 posted on 09/10/2018 12:58:11 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (They can have my pitbull when they pry his cold dead jaws off my ass.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Everyone paying a tariff chooses to pay it.

Spoken like a true elitist. For low income people, buying a more expensive item isn't an option. The inflation generated by tariffs is a killer

Oh well, let them eat cake, I guess.

74 posted on 09/10/2018 1:45:41 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: 100American
So unless you have got better responses than “seem to be”...

I purchase salary surveys twice per year for my industry. Wages have not been rising in that industry.

Of course, the most current reports have not been delivered yet, and things may have changed recently. And other industry segments may be showing different behavior. As you pointed out, employers are whining about "unable to hire qualified people".

Offering higher wages would seem to be the classical answer to that problem. Another answer is for employers to offer paid training/apprentice ships. Do you see such actions yet? I look forward to seeing these responses from the business sector.

75 posted on 09/10/2018 1:58:58 PM PDT by flamberge (What next?)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Yes, the inside of the Phillips screws strip, and they even snap when tightening into hard wood. I’ve throw away whole packages.


76 posted on 09/10/2018 2:35:47 PM PDT by Fido969 (In!)
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To: babble-on
Tariffs take a good that another country can produce AND ship here more cheaply than we can just produce and then penalizes the people who want to buy those goods in order to protect the financial interests of the ipso facto less efficient domestic producer.

You're missing an important point. The fees from the tariffs don't just vanish into thin air. They go to the government, which can use those funds to reduce taxes, or put into the economy in the form of government programs.

Tariffs, for Americans, from a cash point, are a zero sum game. From an American business standpoint, they provide a vital leveling from the phony "free trade" scam.

77 posted on 09/10/2018 2:41:03 PM PDT by Fido969 (In!)
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To: reaganaut1

The WSJ has been pumping these stories of companies hurt by the tariff, and I recall another article on this or another nail company not a month ago.

They never once complained about other companies hurt by unfair trade practices and dumping.


78 posted on 09/10/2018 4:53:39 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: reaganaut1
"the tariffs pushed costs up 'overnight' and made the company uncompetitive."

Good! They shouldn't be competitive against products made on U.S. soil.

"Nucor Corporation, a U.S. steelmaker that is reaping profits from the tariffs, objected to Mid Continent's request and said it could supply the steel wire. Mid-South Wire Company said the same. But last week CNN Money reported that Mr. 'Pratt said that neither company on its own could supply enough raw material.'"

So both can supply it. Compete, or get out! There are plenty of others ready to take your place, if you're lazy, sympathetic with communist foreign enemy nations and don't want to work!


79 posted on 09/10/2018 5:00:34 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: Pollard

Nice investigation, but I still like the concept of US manufactured nails.

People may not be aware of if but there are almost no US made screw-fasteners.
Try finding a US made drywall screw.


80 posted on 09/10/2018 5:00:48 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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