Posted on 08/17/2018 8:40:24 AM PDT by wardaddy
From the church that never changes, eh?
That is gravely sinful. The sin is presumption of salvation.
***
And you’re full of the grave sin of unbelief, and this is a sin that actually exists.
God has promised salvation to those who believe and are baptized. PROMISED, my friend.
To say otherwise calls God a liar.
And that is blasphemy, which is far worse than the imaginary Roman sin of ‘presumption.’
It depends on who’s using it.
How PC of you all.
***
Most Catholics are leftists, and I’m not surprised. This is what they’re taught to think after all.
Unlike Christians, who are taught HOW to think from the God who says “Come, let us reason together.” From the God who sent the Apostles who proved from SCRIPTURE that Jesus is the Christ, and not from some apparition.
Since that sin is never mentioned in Scripture, Roman Catholicism has no right to label something sin that God doesn't.
Y'all can't just go around making up sins to suit yourselves.
Besides, that means an awful lot of Catholics are committing it cause most of them think that because they are baptized, etc, then they will go to heaven after a stint in purgatory.
Matter of fact, you have also stated that people are saved by grace and if they are saved, then they are going to heaven because hell is what they are saved from.
If they're going to hell, they are not saved from anything.
So lots of Catholics are pretty presumptuous in thinking that they are going to heaven, but more in terms of NOT going to hell.
Same presumption.
Catholicism has invented many sins to burden its followers with.
And of course Catholicism wdoesn't want its followers to be sure of their salvation. There's no other way to control the people so well as to hang their eternal destiny over their heads. *Don't obey us, and it's hell for you, baby.*
What a racket.
I’m giving 2:1 odds that s/he’ll completely ignore what St. Paul wrote, and 3:1 odds that s/he’ll claim that Paul only meant Jewish circumcision laws or something equally silly.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
I John 5:10-15 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.
I use *Roman Catholic* to distinguish between other rites, like Ukrainian Catholic and Orthodox of any flavor.
Many of the issues I have with Catholic theology are specific to Roman Catholicism and I do not want to blanket condemn all the rites over issues that they do not have.
So many things would be so much easier if Roman Catholic people would actually read Holy Scripture and believe it instead of blindly adhering to what non-God non-Apostle non-prophet people tell them.
I guess Paul missed that when he wrote the following [OR better...perhaps Rome missed what Paul wrote!]:
9that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
11For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”
12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”
Romans 10:9-13 NASB
Members of the Body of Christ WILL stand before the Bema Seat of Christ, IN HEAVEN, to receive their shame or rewards. Even those whose wood hay and stubble are burned away at that Bema review will still be IN HEAVEN because of what GOD has Promised, not because of fealty to dogma or the demands of an Org.
That you cannot distinguish The Body (of Christ (Paul warned about that and the consequences exposed in the taking of the Lord's Supper unworthily (if you really want to get the full impact) remaining upon the earth as the Ekklesia may be the source of such gross mischaracterizations as you spittle forth. But I'm guessing it is instead your manic need to hold fast to the lies at the heart of your chosen religion, Catholicism (not Christianity) instead of being born again in the now and being a part of The Body.
You are displaying vividly the typical catholiciism blind arrogance toward believers in The Grace of God in Christ as their only hope of salvation. Keep striving for salvation, marking dates and seasons, serving your org's demands, secretly soaring in pride at your working for worthiness. You will get to witness the Rapture of His actual church, the body of believers who will be leaving this wicked world sooner rather than later in the soon to arrive Rapture. But when you do witness the event, do not hesitate to trust ONLY in HIM for deliverance from the wrath of GOD upon those who chose to NOT trust in Whom He sent for their deliverance.
Strong delusion will descend upon those who scoff at the reality, trusting through pride that they have been so faithful to their Org that God could not have been the source of the Departure (you can find that term in the earliest Bibles, later altered by catholiciism to reflect Protestant rebellion to Rome) because you were not taken up to meet the Lord in the air and return to His Father's House where there are many rooms prepared for them. (See John 14, where Jesus taught this earliest open reference to the Rapture)
Correct. The passages cited in metmom's Post #550 do show that the comprehensive and completed work of Jesus that earns a sinful human's unreserved committed trust in The Christ, and nothing more, is necessary to obtain the gift of salvation.
My faith in Jesus' works results in salvation.
There is no Scripture passage that indicates that my faith in my works results in salvation.
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Jesus never denied that mighty works were done.
And here.....
Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’
But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
So much for depending on works.....
Sooo many denominations...
(Matthew 1:21, be it KJV, DRB, Vulgate, or TR)
I don't. I use it to express my belief that your religion doesn't own the copyright to the word "catholic" and definitely not "church". I'm not alone in that, either. Besides, why would "Roman" be seen as a slur??? Is your base of operation not IN Rome?
Perhaps you are suffering from a persecution complex and need to find fault in everything the opposition says? Not a good way to go through life and certainly not an attitude to have on an OPEN thread. Please rethink that.
No, I denied your false interpretation of the Scriptures. I have my doubts about your capacity for "honest" discussion on matters of disagreement. You've repeatedly said such is beneath you since you won't deal with "heretics". If all you want to do is come on a thread to insult, condemn and lecture non-Catholics then no one should be interested in what you have to say, either.
Ditto. It is faithfulness to the doctrines that were supported by Holy Scripture that determined what was of the "catholic" faith. Roman Catholicism has added and changed many doctrines that are NOT found in Scripture and even some that were at one time viewed as heresy but are accepted now. Rome asserts she doesn't need the testimony of antiquity and has the authority to declare whatever she decides and to hold all Christendom to obey her. The "Apostolic" handing down of teaching no longer matters. For that reason alone, Roman Catholicism is NOT catholic no matter what Trent defines. I know whom I have believed, and I am convinced that He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him for that day.
False! The TRUE grave sin is in calling the Holy Spirit a liar when you doubt the promises of God. Ironical that you accuse others of misusing Scripture when you flat out deny what it clearly says REPEATEDLY.
Pardon my bemusement, but LOL! I have not made an error in my comments, you and I simply don't agree about some things. Nor are you in any condition to decide whether or not I am "sincere". Though you claim to have no interest in what non-Catholics' opinions are, you sure do spend a lot of time responding to them. If you haven't already guessed, the Freepers here are not ill-informed, poorly catechized or ignorant about what we believe, why we believe it and why we left the error we saw in Roman Catholicism. You'll have to do much better if you think you can demolish opposing arguments.
+1
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.