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What should marijuana opponents do when their cause fails? A lesson from Prohibition
The Boston Globe ^ | June 23rd, 2018 | Stephanie Schorow

Posted on 06/23/2018 2:47:03 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: Mariner

I hear it all the time by the stoners.


41 posted on 06/23/2018 3:52:50 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Vision

We never got a Bill Of Permissions. What would you want “the approval of the Federal government” for, the ability to blow your nose?


42 posted on 06/23/2018 3:53:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Mariner
What should marijuana opponents do when their cause fails?

Concede defeat and move on.

43 posted on 06/23/2018 3:53:17 PM PDT by Simon Green ("Arm your daughter, sir, and pay no attention to petty bureaucrats.")
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To: Vision
Me, smoked a bunch. It's not like alcohol, it's bad for you

Me, smoked a bunch, drank a bunch - they have different effects but either can mess you up a little or a lot depending how much you use (and I've been both messed up a little and a lot on each). And both are bad for you. And none of that is any of government's business ... apart from keeping the messed up from driving, keeping it away from kids as criminalization has failed to do, and truth in labeling.

44 posted on 06/23/2018 3:53:20 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: shelterguy

Argument by name-calling. How about being called one of the anti-freedomers?


45 posted on 06/23/2018 3:53:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: exDemMom
There are major health issues with marijuana that simply do not apply to alcohol.

And vice versa.

46 posted on 06/23/2018 3:54:53 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Mariner

It’s hard to argue that the repeal of Prohibition didn’t seariously harm the country.


47 posted on 06/23/2018 3:55:55 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Blowing your nose and acting like God- putting yourself into a state of euphoria on demand (with diminishing returns) while hurting your body, mind, and soul are not the same.


48 posted on 06/23/2018 3:55:58 PM PDT by Vision (Obama corrupted, sought to weaken and fundamentally change America; he didn't plan on being stopped)
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To: Mariner

I don’t know...ask Dave


49 posted on 06/23/2018 3:56:57 PM PDT by barbarianbabs
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To: shelterguy
I hear it all the time by the stoners.

Do you hear it on FR? If not, why bring it up on FR?

50 posted on 06/23/2018 3:57:00 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Mariner

The marijuana plant was originally banned due to lobbying efforts by the cotton barons. Hemp (from the marijuana plant) is far more versatile than cotton. Marijuana can be grown with very low levels of THC rendering it useless to smokers, but can be a valuable source of rope and clothing material.


51 posted on 06/23/2018 3:58:02 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: shadeaud

Most people no longer smoke pot. Most use edibles and oils now.


52 posted on 06/23/2018 4:00:07 PM PDT by wrcase
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To: barbarianbabs

Dave’s not here.


53 posted on 06/23/2018 4:00:15 PM PDT by Simon Green ("Arm your daughter, sir, and pay no attention to petty bureaucrats.")
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To: spintreebob
Prohibition did not cause an increase in crime.

False. The rest of your unsupported claims I will ignore.

"America had experienced a gradual decline in the rate of serious crimes over much of the 19th and early 20th centuries. That trend was unintentionally reversed by the efforts of the Prohibition movement. The homicide rate in large cities increased from 5.6 per 100,000 population during the first decade of the century to 8.4 during the second decade when the Harrison Narcotics Act, a wave of state alcohol prohibitions, and World War I alcohol restrictions were enacted. The homicide rate increased to 10 per 100,000 population during the 1920s, a 78 percent increase over the pre-Prohibition period." - https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa157.pdf

54 posted on 06/23/2018 4:00:16 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Mariner

As I said, the use of alcohol is not even comparable. It takes years of heavy drinking (exceeding the BAC considered to be impaired several times a week) to begin to cause equivalent damage to what even “casual” use of marijuana or other schedule one drugs causes. Marijuana causes physical damage and alters the function of the brain. Furthermore, our bodies have a dedicated metabolic pathway that exists only to destroy alcohol. We have no equivalent for any schedule I drug, so they stay in the body longer, exacerbating the ill effects of the drugs.

I can tell stories of addiction, too. The addicts I’ve known used a variety of substances. The addiction is the issue, not the specific drug used.


55 posted on 06/23/2018 4:00:40 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“””Argument by name-calling. How about being called one of the anti-freedomers?””””””

Anti-freedomer????

If you pretend it is a freedom issue then do you believe cocaine, meth and heroin must be legal?


56 posted on 06/23/2018 4:00:46 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Vision

“You got smart but wish the stupidity and waste of time on the rest of the country with the approval of the Federal government?”

What do you have to say about President Trump, who said he would support getting fedgov out of intastate mj regulation?

Here is PDJT throwing mj prohibitionists under the bus =>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M53XLBd54Y


57 posted on 06/23/2018 4:00:54 PM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: kaehurowing
It’s hard to argue that the repeal of Prohibition didn’t seariously harm the country.

It helped the country - crime dropped.

58 posted on 06/23/2018 4:01:44 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Mariner

>>Sheppard, a proponent of bank reform and an advocate of women’s suffrage, may have been the country’s most sincere Prohibitionist, but he ended up on the losing side of history.

Except that states and nations are pushing the BAC standard down to Sweden’s of 0.01 (CDC wants to go there incrementally first by dropping to 0.05 and then 0.03). A low BAC that results in misdemeanor in the US will still ban you from Canada as a “felon”.

And cigarettes? Banned by employers even in off hours, penalized by insurers and employers, prohibited in parks, cars with children, and in homes (look at California). And “tax the hell out of it”.

But pot smokers believe that they can toke behind the wheel and smoke in public because they are different after 50 years of demonizing tobacco and beer as “impure poisons” while promoting pot as “all natural” and saying it “cures cancer”.

There is neo-prohibition in this world of demon rum (restricted hours of purchase in all but 3 cities) but we aren’t supposed to notice.

The woman who founded MADD left that organization decades ago because even then it became apparent that the goal was neo-prohibition, she was never against its use even publicly. She didn’t like serious repeat offenders getting ignored or a slap on the wrist.


59 posted on 06/23/2018 4:02:43 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Spygate's clock began in 2015 - what did President Obama know and when did he know it)
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To: exDemMom
It takes years of heavy drinking (exceeding the BAC considered to be impaired several times a week) to begin to cause equivalent damage to what even “casual” use of marijuana or other schedule one drugs causes.

Will you be posting evidence - or excuses for not posting evidence?

60 posted on 06/23/2018 4:02:59 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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