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What should marijuana opponents do when their cause fails? A lesson from Prohibition
The Boston Globe ^ | June 23rd, 2018 | Stephanie Schorow

Posted on 06/23/2018 2:47:03 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: rusty schucklefurd

“Marijuana is NOT more accessible to teens.”

National Survey of American Attitudes on Substance Abuse VI: Teens, https://www.centeronaddiction.org/download/file/fid/447:

Which is easiest for someone your age to buy: cigarettes, beer or marijuana?
33% CIGARETTES
10% BEER
33% MARIJUANA


181 posted on 06/24/2018 3:24:44 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: TheStickman
You’re all heart Mom. What’s next you gonna come out in favor of gov’t assisted suicide? #HeartlessAuthoritarianProhibitionist

Yep, I do have this character flaw where I care way more about victims than I do about perpetrators. And I don’t think it’s heartless at all.

182 posted on 06/24/2018 3:35:21 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: NobleFree

You seem to have a serious obsession with alcohol.

Why is that, I wonder?


183 posted on 06/24/2018 3:39:25 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

Love how you moved the goalposts there, Mom. But I appreciate the chance to point your heartlessness out & for you confirming such.

Stay fraudulent, Mom. :)


184 posted on 06/24/2018 3:47:02 PM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: exDemMom
You seem to have a serious obsession with alcohol.

Not at all - I bring it up as a test of people's professed principles. Sometimes those people evade the question and talk about the other person instead of the topic ... like you just did.

185 posted on 06/24/2018 4:21:18 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/addiction-statistics/

Both marijuana and alcohol are illegal for teens to purchase. The question is not which is easier to purchase, but which is more accessible. Alcohol is far more accessible because it is in every grocery store, every convenience stores, plus a high percentage of American homes. It also doesn’t have the stigma of being “illegal”.

It’s true that marijuana is the most abused illicit drug, but alcohol is the most abused addictive substance overall.

Legalizing marijuana, as I’ve said, will only add to the problem. It will make marijuana more accessible.


186 posted on 06/24/2018 7:50:02 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: TheStickman
It just occurred to me that Dennis Rodman wore his PotCoin t-shirt through Singapore Airport, of all places. Not that they were going to anything about it.


187 posted on 06/24/2018 8:17:08 PM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: rusty schucklefurd
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/addiction-statistics/

Thanks for supporting my position - fewer youths have an alcohol use disorder than an illicit drug use disorder.

Both marijuana and alcohol are illegal for teens to purchase.

Only alcohol sellers jeopardize a legal sales channel by selling to teens.

The question is not which is easier to purchase, but which is more accessible. Alcohol is far more accessible

Still wrong:

Which is easiest for someone your age to get: cigarettes, beer, marijuana, or prescription drugs without a prescription, drugs such as Oxycontin, Vicodin, Xanax or Ritalin?
26% Cigarettes
23% Beer
22% Marijuana - https://www.centeronaddiction.org/download/file/fid/1282

188 posted on 06/24/2018 8:17:59 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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Re: Thanks for supporting my position - fewer youths have an alcohol use disorder than an illicit drug use disorder.

Not quite true. According to page 28-29 of:c

https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUH-FRR1-2014/NSDUH-FRR1-2014.pdf

679,000 teens between 12 - 17 had alcohol use disorder 2014
667,000 teens had a marijuana use disorder in 2014

You quoted in your last post some “ease of getting” statistics - but by your own statistics, it shows that beer was slightly easier to get than marijuana:

26% cigarettes
23% beer
22%. marijuana

In that same report you posted, on page 15, it shows an interesting statistic. Among “drug-infected” schools vs “drug-free” schools, alcohol was easier to get within an hour (alcohol) 36% as opposed to marijuana (23%).

Look, I must admit I was surprised at how close marijuana use disorder was among teens to alcohol abuse disorder, but none the less, alcohol still is the greater issue. Among all age groups, alcohol abuse is almost four times that of marijuana use disorder (see pages 24-25 of same report).

The legalization of marijuana is coming nationwide in the near future. I’m just saying it’s going to come with a terrible human cost. I don’t think it’s worth it, but by, that’s just me.

You can have the last word if you want it.


189 posted on 06/26/2018 8:20:42 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd
I must admit I was surprised at how close marijuana use disorder was among teens to alcohol abuse disorder, but none the less, alcohol still is the greater issue.

By a nose - despite alcohol being much more widely used among adults. This evidence indicates that the best way to keep a drug away from teens is to legalize it for adults, thus giving its sellers an economic incentive to not sell to teens.

Among all age groups, alcohol abuse is almost four times that of marijuana use disorder

Exactly my point - alcohol far outruns pot among adults but only narrowly among teens.

190 posted on 06/26/2018 8:34:07 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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