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Santa Fe shooter killed girl who turned down his advances
The Hill ^ | 05-19-2018 | John Bowden

Posted on 05/19/2018 6:53:58 PM PDT by Trump20162020

The 17-year-old suspect in Friday's shooting at a Texas high school killed a classmate who turned down his repeated advances, killing her first in his deadly rampage that also killed nine others, according to the girl's mother.

Student Shana Fisher's mother told the LA Times that junior Dimitrios Pagourtzis gave her daughter "4 months of problems" before Fisher rejected him publicly in front of classmates.

"A week later he opens fire on everyone he didn't like," she wrote to the newspaper. "Shana being the first one."

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: dimitriospagourtzis; greece; greek; incel; incels; pagourtzis; santafe; santafehighschool
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To: Trump20162020

There’s a little bit of sentencing legerdemain called “concurrently.” But it would have to be an awfully sympathetic case to be treated in that manner. An open loon with a strange history who utterly snapped in an illogical way. We in the peanut gallery cannot truly know at this point. Let defense and prosecution duke this one out.


61 posted on 05/19/2018 11:14:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Az Joe

Or else he could try gathering his own claque, or even woo some of the lesser femmes, some of whom might be even sympathetic if he played his cards wisely and patiently. None of which would need a murder.


62 posted on 05/19/2018 11:17:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Az Joe

You see, it could have been a matter of a point of philosophical reflection. If this gal on whom he had a crush would act like that, isn’t it better he learned about it loud and clear? She might not have gotten all the admiration she thought she deserved. Were I another suitor of this gal, at that point I’d be thinking Whoa! she’s cruel, do I want that? Karma, so to speak, can be a female dog.


63 posted on 05/19/2018 11:25:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Agreed. My only point was the girls action of humiliating him in front of his peers. She signed her own death warrant with him once she did that. She made her power play (humiliating him in his world) and he made his (killing her). In his sick mind, he won.


64 posted on 05/19/2018 11:37:18 PM PDT by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Perhaps she led him on in some way and then crossed him, we’ll never know. She didn’t deserve to die for it that’s for sure. But he obviously thought she did.


65 posted on 05/19/2018 11:38:59 PM PDT by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: Az Joe

Crushes, infatuations can be like that. Here’s where a good dad, a good uncle, a good older brother, even a good school pal can be of help. In helping him understand that the dream that blew up might have been a nightmare.


66 posted on 05/19/2018 11:43:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
"Men turning violent when rejected goes back to the dawn of time."

I disagree with the generalization and see that a quantifier is in order. And what has been said about a "woman scorned?"


67 posted on 05/19/2018 11:55:09 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Agreed. He needed someone....she also needed someone.

She murdered him in every important way...in his mind. I’m absolutely positive he would have much rather she had shot him in the head several times instead of what she did. He retaliated and struck back at those who were cruel to him.


68 posted on 05/19/2018 11:56:31 PM PDT by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: Trump20162020

Nope, SCOTUS said that you cannot do that, they even applied it retroactively.

Juveniles cannot be sentenced to life without parole.


69 posted on 05/20/2018 12:02:55 AM PDT by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: Az Joe

I think you are right. It’s the humiliation. Like the gay guy whose straight roommate videoed the gay guy’s First forays into gay sex in the room. And showed the whole dorm. The gay boy killed himself.

Kids need to learn social-emotional skills right in the classroom. That will help all sides. How to stop an aggressive love-pursuer, with class and decency. How to understand no one owes you anything, not even friendship, just because you like them. Respect that not everyone needs to like everyone. And NEVER SOLVE SOCIAL PROBLEMS WITH VIOLENCE. Parents need to be more aware of their kids’ social lives and step in when the see problems, including changing the kid’s school. There are so many online high schools, charter homeschools, etc. No excuse for keeping an antisocial kid in a giant high school filled with streetsmart teens.


70 posted on 05/20/2018 12:16:23 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: VanDeKoik; cherry; bluejean

>> in 20 years, she will be fat, wrinkled, or forgettable.

Agreed. But not sure cherry and bluejean know what you mean. A discussion for another thread...

Back to Sante Fe... there must be some systemic psychosis that’s green-lighting this intemperate response to social rejection. And it goes beyond the massacres. It’s exemplified by Antifa, by the protests against conservative speech, the attacks against capitalism... it’s the violent revenge of the psycho-nerds.


71 posted on 05/20/2018 12:30:09 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Az Joe

I’m wondering if she thought publicly rejecting him would give her witnesses if he later started stalking her, or would be more definitive than whatever private advances she had turned down.
She probably noticed he was a bit crazy but never foresaw this of course. Sad.


72 posted on 05/20/2018 12:34:09 AM PDT by GnuThere
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To: GnuThere

She was failed by the adult (Liberals) around her. There needed to be a male coach or some male history/science teacher to take the boy aside and teach him.

The girl in turn needed some kind of wordily woman to take her in hand and help guide her. Unfortunately todays culture actively works against such options.


74 posted on 05/20/2018 12:42:17 AM PDT by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: Az Joe

Not a liar, jackass. You did indeed piss in my shoes when I described having to deal with abusive women.

You’re a piece of work laying the massacre on the girl.

And you want my address to what... get violent?


76 posted on 05/20/2018 12:49:23 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Az Joe

Get a grip.

Do you not have any children? A daughter?


79 posted on 05/20/2018 12:57:46 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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