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In Potential Blow To Conservation Efforts, U.S. Court Rules Restoration Moves Harmed Farmers
Science ^ | Tuesday, March 20, 2018 | Robert F. Service

Posted on 03/20/2018 5:21:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

A federal judge ruled last week that a federal agency's actions to improve habitats for endangered species along the Missouri River exacerbated floods, causing damage to local farmers whose land was temporarily inundated. Although this was only the first part of a multiphase case, if the ruling is upheld it could undermine future river restoration efforts nationwide and stymie enforcement of the Endangered Species Act (ESA) by forcing the government to pay damages to any landowner affected by environmental restoration activities.

Historically, the Missouri River, known as "the Big Muddy," followed a meandering, braided path and flooded annually, says Robert Criss, a hydrologist at Washington University in St. Louis. Beginning in the 1930s, engineers constructed a series of six dams and reservoirs. They also narrowed and straightened the river to allow barge navigation, and constructed hundreds of miles of levees along its banks. The changes destroyed nearly all of the shallow water marshes critical for fish and wildlife, Walker says.

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencemag.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: corpsofengineers; esa; missouririver
IOW, it's about waterfowl, and to hell with the human food supply.

Flooding devastated riverside towns in the U.S. Midwest in 2008. [Don Becker, U.S. Geological Survey]

Flooding devastated riverside towns in the U.S. Midwest in 2008.

1 posted on 03/20/2018 5:21:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 03/20/2018 5:23:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

Reining in government overreach that has devastated farmers’ livelihoods.

Its long overdue.


3 posted on 03/20/2018 5:24:48 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SunkenCiv

Good. I like animals and all, but I like people more.


4 posted on 03/20/2018 5:27:16 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: SunkenCiv

The title is deliberately misleading.

This is not a blow to conservation. It is a blow to follow the rule of law.

There is no exception to the “Takings” clause of the Constitution for radical enviromentalism.


5 posted on 03/20/2018 5:28:04 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: SunkenCiv

So when will Trump pardon Oregon ranchers Dwight and Steve Hammond who have been so wrongfully incarcerated ( TWICE) by the Obama administration - BLM ?

Especially now that courts have ruled EPA and Interior Dept. overstepping their authority.

http://protecttheharvest.com/2018/01/06/appeal-trump-administration-commute-sentence-dwight-steve-hammond/

I am going nuts trying to find a place to sign a petition on their behalf. Sure can’t find it on WhiteHouse.gov.


6 posted on 03/20/2018 5:28:55 PM PDT by Auslander154 ("Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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To: marktwain

Exactly.


7 posted on 03/20/2018 5:32:53 PM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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To: SunkenCiv

So, since I studied constitutional and administrative law we may be revisiting what constitutes a regulatory taking.


8 posted on 03/20/2018 5:35:36 PM PDT by jimfree (My17 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than an 8 year Obama.)
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To: goldstategop
if the ruling is upheld it could undermine future river restoration efforts nationwide and stymie enforcement of the Endangered Species Act (ESA) by forcing the government to pay damages to any landowner affected by environmental restoration activities.

That sounds good to me. Especially since last I heard, fully 40% of the species on the endangered list are there based on bogus science.

9 posted on 03/20/2018 5:40:10 PM PDT by NutsOnYew (If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be.)
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10 posted on 03/20/2018 7:19:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs..)
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To: SunkenCiv
if the ruling is upheld it could undermine future river restoration efforts nationwide and stymie enforcement of the Endangered Species Act (ESA) by forcing the government to pay damages to any landowner affected by environmental restoration activities.

GOOD! That is absolutely how it should be... These actions form a kind of uncompensated "taking' from landowners - either by restriction of their land use, or by direct damage done by the actions taken by the government.

11 posted on 03/20/2018 7:42:40 PM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: jimfree
So, since I studied constitutional and administrative law we may be revisiting what constitutes a regulatory taking.

Or, as history as shown over and over again, the U.S. Supreme Court, as is it's norm in Property "Takings" cases, will probably find someway to side with the government.

They'll find some reason to find for the "common good."
12 posted on 03/20/2018 7:42:48 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SunkenCiv; All
"Endangered Species Act (ESA)"

While I agree with the mission of the ESA in principle, it remains that the states have never expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds the specific power to define, regulate, tax and spend in the name of protecting such species.

So it's uniquely up to the individual states to define and protect endangered species until the states decide to appropriately amend the Constitution to give the feds such powers.

Corrections, insights welcome.

13 posted on 03/20/2018 9:30:35 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Auslander154

I believe there are sites where you can start your own petition.


14 posted on 03/20/2018 9:40:35 PM PDT by Amberdawn (If Leftists Didn't Live By Double Standards, They'd Have No Standards At All.)
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To: TheBattman

GOOD! That is absolutely how it should be... These actions form a kind of uncompensated “taking’ from landowners - either by restriction of their land use, or by direct damage done by the actions taken by the government.


Exactly. The insanity of the premise, that the government can without compensation, damage innocent individuals, in the name of the “public good” is insane!

If it is in the “public good” then the public should pay for it, through taxes!


15 posted on 03/20/2018 9:42:24 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: SoConPubbie
They'll find some reason to find for the "common good."

With a Hillary court it surely would. Hoping for a tilt back to the center and a finding of a regulatory taking requiring compensation. We shall see.

16 posted on 03/21/2018 3:19:56 AM PDT by jimfree (My17 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than an 8 year Obama.)
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To: Amendment10

The legal problem with the Environmental Species Act was that Congress ceded its rule-making authority to the executive branch. If Congress were to instead, for instance, vote to include various species under the Act, and on reasonable means of protection, that would be totally legitimate.

The problem with the Commerce clause is that now that the feds control most everything, most everything DOES relate to interstate commerce; It’s purpose has been utterly thwarted. But it did have a legitimate purpose: There are some matters which states CANNOT adequately address. But instead of relying on federal powers when states cannot adequately address something, we’ve relied on it for anything that the federal government provides a theory for how it COULD address it.

So here’s how you do the ESA the right way: It’s within the national interest to protect the Bald Eagle. The Bald Eagle’s habitat does not follow state lines. Therefore, these following regulations are implemented for any property involved with interstate commerce...

Famer Joe has a family farm. He borrows money from a local bank. He sells vegetables at the local farmer’s market; he sells wheat to the local bakery; etc. His property is exempt from these regulations.

Farmer McKenzie hires workers on agricultural visas. He borrows money from a national corporation which protects its investment with futures traded in New York. He sells his wheat to Pillsbury. His property is not exempt from these regulations.

Maybe Congress might even decide that the futures trading involving McKenzie’s wheat is valuable to the national economy, and write regulations involving futures trading that permit McKenzie to remain exempt from legislating citing the commerce clause.


17 posted on 03/21/2018 3:51:05 AM PDT by dangus (.)
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"The legal problem with the Environmental Species Act was that Congress ceded its rule-making authority to the executive branch."

Note that the Founding States made the first numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, evidently a good place to hide these clauses from Congress (sarc), to clarify that all federal legislative powers are vested in the elected members of Congress, not in the executive or judicial branches.

But not only is Congress wrongly letting the executive branch get away with stealing and exercising legislative powers, but in the example of the Environmental Species Act, this act is actually based on unique, 10th Amendment-protected state powers that the feds have stolen from the states.

By letting the executive branch steal and exercise stolen state powers, corrupt lawmakers are letting the executive branch do Congress’s unconstitutional, dirty work for it so that lawmakers can keep their voting records clean.

And by keeping their voting records clean, career lawmakers are able to fool low-information patriots, patriots who have probably never been taught about the fed’s constitutionally limited powers, into reelecting them.

Are we having fun yet? 8^P

"The problem with the Commerce clause is that now that the feds control most everything, most everything DOES relate to interstate commerce; It’s purpose has been utterly thwarted."

Note that regardless what FDR’s state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices wanted everybody to think about the scope of Congress’s Commerce Clause powers (1.8.3) when it wrongly decided Wickard v. Filburn in Congress’s favor imo, FDR’s justices wrongly ignored the following. They ignored that a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified the following limits of Congress’s Commerce Clause powers based on applying basic reading skills to that relatively simple clause.

"Therefore, these following regulations are implemented for any property involved with interstate commerce..."

Thomas Jefferson had recommended that the fed's constitutionally limited powers be interpreted narrowly, evidenced by the excerpt from Gibbons v. Ogden above, the states amending the Constitution to delegate new powers to the feds as a last resort.

"In every event, I would rather construe so narrowly as to oblige the nation to amend, and thus declare what powers they would agree to yield, than too broadly, and indeed, so broadly as to enable the executive and the Senate to do things which the Constitution forbids." —Thomas Jefferson: The Anas, 1793.

But until the states decide to amend the Constitution, it's up to the individual states to define and protect endangered species.

"The States should be left to do whatever acts they can do as well as the General Government." --Thomas Jefferson to John Harvie, 1790.

But should the states decide that they aren't up to the job for some reason, then there's nothing stopping them from amending the Constitution to give the job to the feds.

Finally, the best remedy to stop federal government overreach into the affairs of the sovereign states is to repeal the ill-conceived 17th Amendment imo.

The 16th Amendment can disappear too.

18 posted on 03/21/2018 9:25:08 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amberdawn

Thank you. I did sign a petition and make a contribution at Change.org but I am not getting any feedback as to petition results there.


19 posted on 03/21/2018 2:38:34 PM PDT by Auslander154 ("Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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