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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Rome as we have it today, went downhill progressively after 200 ad.

Well that's at least a concrete date. But I am not going to settle for vague accusations of progressive corruption.

Hippolytus of Rome...died around 235. Was he orthodox or heterodox? If heterodox, then why? How about Pope Cornelius (251-253)? Cornelius was friends with Cyprian, bishop of Carthage. Was Carthage being corrupted too around that time?

Can you show me someone on either side of your cutoff, and tell me what the person pre-200 believed that the person in, say, 400 or 500 didn't?

Or can you point me to someone in the 200s or 300s in Antioch or Alexandria, or Byzantium, or Gaul who remarked on Rome's gradual apostasy? There were churches all over the place outside Rome...surely someone noticed and complained, right? Chrysostom in Constantinople? Jerome in Jerusalem? Augustine in Hippo? Ambrose in Milan?

Show me one ancient author who wrote about this alleged Roman apostasy when it was happening.

100 posted on 01/26/2018 4:55:50 PM PST by Claud
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To: Claud

Jesus Christ Himself pointed it out. In Revelation He spoke to the Seven Churches and pointed out their errors. Roman Catholics would claim those churches as catholic....


101 posted on 01/26/2018 5:00:54 PM PST by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Claud; Mom MD
Show me one ancient author who wrote about this alleged Roman apostasy when it was happening.

I can show you one aspect of how Rome apostasized.

Mary as Mother of God 431 AD

Prayers offered to Mary 600 AD

Immaculate Conception 1854 AD

Assumption of Mary 1950 AD

Mary proclaimed mother of the Church 1965 AD

https://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-catechism.html

104 posted on 01/26/2018 5:12:52 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Claud

“But I am not going to settle for vague accusations of progressive corruption.”

To respect the Religion Forum Rules, allow this general statement to serve as a response...

• Those who have eyes open to the truth and seek it, will find it.
• Those who are willfully blind to truth, neither treasure it, nor seek it.
• Those who blindly accept their own religious traditions, without verifying their source, have predecided truth is not a primary pursuit.
• Those who demand others spoon-feed them, have already decided to spit it out and complain it isn’t real food.

“He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

- Jesus


114 posted on 01/26/2018 5:24:09 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Claud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Syro-Malabar_Catholic_Church

Faithful from the start!


219 posted on 01/26/2018 11:05:21 PM PST by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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