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California Considers Placing A Mileage Tax On Drivers
CBS SF ^ | December 11, 2017 at 6:33 pm | Phil Matier

Posted on 12/13/2017 9:52:34 AM PST by Hojczyk

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To: Hojczyk

Hardly a day goes by without some news of lunacy coming out of the “Land of Fruits and Nuts”.


61 posted on 12/13/2017 10:41:28 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: Hojczyk

During the drought they forced conservation on everyone and then raised water rates because people were not using enough water. It is always about money.


62 posted on 12/13/2017 10:42:41 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (US out of the UN, UN out of the US)
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To: roadcat

Moonbeam-onomics is so disgusting to see.

I can’t imagine living it.

I’ve been to Kaulifornia once in the early 00s. A glorified weekend and didn’t get to see much. The weather was definitely right.


63 posted on 12/13/2017 10:46:31 AM PST by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: eyeamok
If they do this, I will put a proposition on the Ballot to make it a FELONY Punishable by 20 years in Prison for ANY Public Employee that uses a Taxpayer Owned or Funded Vehicle for any reason not strictly work related, including driving back and forth to work from home.

I'm all for that. Several decades ago, I worked for a large city department where the director had me and my crew put in a request for a van work vehicle. He embellished the specs, where it became a fancy SUV with expensive options, and the city approved the purchase. When it was delivered, he ordered our crew to have it returned and clean by late afternoon, despite the crew needing it for servicing remote service areas. The director then would drive it home every day. After weekends, the crew would find kids garbage in it, as the department director was using it for pleasure trips for his family. I kid you not, tinted windows, expensive stereo system, luxury interior. I made copies of the vehicle invoice and the director's instructions to us, and our logs, forwarded it to higher-ups in the city and the director resigned that week.

64 posted on 12/13/2017 10:49:55 AM PST by roadcat
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To: SgtHooper
Ok, here comes the inventive self-analyzing handheld devices that enable the vehicle user to change the mileage and the date stamp.

Using a blockchain ledger for your data will effectively prevent that scheme. A CDNA cellphone with a standalone GPS chip or a 5.8 GHz SmartHighway interface can easily log your travel and transparently capture the data I built stuff like that for my railroad monitor projects in 2003. The technology really isn't the challenge. Forcing it down the throats of the taxpayers is a different issue.

65 posted on 12/13/2017 10:51:41 AM PST by Myrddin
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In regard to the recent increase in gas taxes, there is a huge initiative drive to have the the tax increase repealed. When it gets on the ballot (and it will...they are collecting signatures at a high rate), it will get repealed based on public sentiment...even in California. It’s a hot button issue across the spectrum.


66 posted on 12/13/2017 10:51:42 AM PST by Ronniesque
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To: alexander_busek

My old flip phone is smart enough not to go blabbing everything to everyone.

I forget to take it with me half the time. When I do, half the time I forget to turn it on. Can’t use while I’m driving and I’ve been driving to the same grocery store longer than smart phones have been in existence so don’t need it to give directions. What’s the point in one?


67 posted on 12/13/2017 11:05:17 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Hojczyk

I think of the daily mileage I put in between home in Morgan Hill and work in Sunnyvalefor 11 years! Thank the Good Lord that I left California in 1994!


68 posted on 12/13/2017 11:07:45 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Build KateÂ’s Wall! Never Forget!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

YES, California will-—Wait until they get into a battle with the rental car businesses. And UBER.......


69 posted on 12/13/2017 11:08:07 AM PST by ridesthemiles (uen)
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To: Myrddin
CDMA cell phone. CDMA uses precision GPS to estimate distance from handset to the tower. Based on the distance, the tower sends a transmit power setting to the handset. The aim is for the amount of RF signal from every handset to the tower to achieve the same receive signal level. The tower radio will select an appropriate PN sequence to decode the CDMA signal at that point.

The point is that precision GPS for position and timing is already part of the network environment.

In 2001, I was on a joint Ford/Qualcomm venture called Wingcast. The Qualcomm radio was going to be on the Verizon network. The in-vehicle telematics interfaces allowed for position reporting, speed, flashing headlights, honking horns, unlocking doors. Information that GM OnStar offers to their customer base. I would sample location every 60 seconds placing most freeway points about a mile apart.

70 posted on 12/13/2017 11:10:05 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: wally_bert
The weather was definitely right.

We have the best weather in the country, right here in California. But Moonbeam Jerry Brown claims that climate change is causing all our problems (the climate hasn't changed at all here). The cause of many of our problems here is man-made, not by climate issues, but by Moonbeam idiot policies. For instance, forcing water rationing on us while the state flushes billions of gallons down streams for little fish and frogs that is unnecessary, diverting funds from dam repair and maintenance (that was approved by voters), then when the dams begin failing then coming to taxpayers for more money to fix them (when the money had been there but was diverted)! This thing about mileage taxes on cars will never be used to fix roads, but will be diverted, just like a large portion of the recently enacted gas taxes are being diverted to the general fund for non-road use. Democrats are evil.

71 posted on 12/13/2017 11:10:57 AM PST by roadcat
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To: alexander_busek

But, but what about Moo’s food deserts? What about the people who have to drive 40 miles for a gallon of milk for their poor children’s breakfast? Serious question -
Shouldn’t they get a break? Every government action gives some group exceptions. Who’s the exceptions with this?


72 posted on 12/13/2017 11:12:15 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Hojczyk

I can’t imagine who in the hell would want to live and stay in California. First, you are not free. Second, you are nothing more than a “cash cow” to the government if you own property, vehicles, businesses, or anything that is of value. Worse than that...the government of California relishes the homeless, weirdo’s, illegals, bums along with communists and Marxists and the very dregs of society. It may be pretty country there but you can see pretty country out of a jail cell too.


73 posted on 12/13/2017 11:18:15 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: bgill

My old flip phone is smart enough not to go blabbing everything to everyone.
= = = = = = = = = = = = =
I recently got a ‘new’ Samsung phone (I say ‘new’ because it was free with my subscription to Boost).

Anyhow, I forgot to plug it in the other day and had been using it for a map so battery ran out.

I got an email from a company called “LOOKOUT MOBILE SECURITY”=Signal Flare, PINPOINTING my phone and its location (didn’t say on the desk beside me but did have the location correct) and telling me that is the last they heard of it

Also a box to click that says ‘Locate Device Now’ which I will NOT click BUT they already have that info....

EERIE....is not just a Railroad anymore....


74 posted on 12/13/2017 11:18:27 AM PST by xrmusn ((6/98)""In todays world:::WE, THE USofA are Rudyard Kiplings 'Tommy'")
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To: Hojczyk
“The reality is that if you have a smartphone your data of where you are traveling is already in existence,” Wiener said.

Can I charge the state a usage fee for the time my phone is used by them to track my mileage? What happens if that fee just happens to match my per mile tax?

-PJ

75 posted on 12/13/2017 11:22:26 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: bgill
But, but what about Moo’s food deserts? What about the people who have to drive 40 miles for a gallon of milk for their poor children’s breakfast? Serious question - Shouldn’t they get a break? Every government action gives some group exceptions. Who’s the exceptions with this?

Are you really being serious? Really?

Because it would be no problem to "tweak" the algorithm so that "poo' people" or people with a specified melanin content would g3 eligible for a discount.

Regards,

76 posted on 12/13/2017 11:25:46 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Can I charge the state a usage fee for the time my phone is used by them to track my mileage?

Short answer: No, you can't!

Any more questions, Citizen?

Regards,

77 posted on 12/13/2017 11:26:43 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Hojczyk

So when politicians use funds earmarked for road repairs for things other than road repairs, the condition of roads deteriorate? Who knew?


78 posted on 12/13/2017 11:33:21 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Hojczyk

A couple of years ago CA undertook a “pavement rehabilitation” project on I 680 from Dublin to Walnut Creek. First they had illegals put up an “orange snow fence barrier” along both sides of the roadway I suppose to somehow “contain” any “construction debris from actually reaching the chain link fence that is already in place a few feet further off the roadway.
Then they jackhammered out all the handicapped ramps ( I know, I haven’t seen anyone in a wheel chair or with a white cane trying to cross any of the on or off ramps in the 35 years I’ve lived in my present home near I 680), the sole reason being that the “yellow bump pads” that had been added some time in the past, were not in a “recess” in the concrete, so this change was solely to recess these pads. At each overpass, there were eight of these areas “needing replacement.” In the span of the work, there are probably ten or twelve overpasses that had this “retrofit.” Can’t begin to guess what this cost, but you wonder just how much of this crap the public will accept as the reason for further gas tax increases or mileage charges.


79 posted on 12/13/2017 11:41:33 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Dilbert San Diego
What about if you drive out of state? I recently put over 1000 miles on the car driving in other states. Are they going to charge me for those 1000 Mike’s which didn’t happen on California roads?

In theory, no. These "monitoring" devices they are talking about are GPS based, so they'll know where you've been. The downside is the state will have a record of everywhere you've been. Does anyone believe this information won't be used for evil purposes? Yeah, I didn't think so.

80 posted on 12/13/2017 11:41:41 AM PST by zeugma (I always wear my lucky red shirt on away missions!)
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