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To: NobleFree

Vice is always addiction and it is outside control of a person. That is why it is so evil. You are a slave (as Aristotle stated) for you have no free will when you are addicted. Outside things control your emotions and you have no ability to stop the action. Vice is ALWAYS an addiction and habituated and slavery.

Virtue is a habit (you could not say a good habit is a vice, although being habituated is like having an addiction. True belief in God creates a type of “addiction” although there are better words for it.

Virtue is inner control of base urges You have free will and able to use Reason instead of act on emotions only. Virtue is needed for civil societies and the Natural Family-—and with Natural Rights (like to marry one woman) there always are Natural Duties—like raining ones own biological children. You really should study Natural Law Theory so you understand Locke and our Constitution and “Justice” system. Justice is the Queen of Virtue and as such all Just Law promotes public virtue.(as Montesquieu so well explained and our Founders).

As Aquinas stated, “When Just Law ceases to be Just (virtuous), it ceases to be Law.” That is exactly what Justice John Marshalll stated and he said ALL “unjust” law is “null and void” and MUST be disobeyed.

But now we have a Vice System-—it promotes vices of sodomy, (irrational use of the word “marriage’), perversion, baby-killing, drugging, mutilation, and theft (welfare which promotes slavery only).

So, a wife has a Natural Duty to have sex with her husband-—but not to allow him to sodomize her. A husband has the Natural Duty to treat his wife with dignity and respect also. With Rights come Duties always. It is evil to rape your wife or demean her sexual organs or yours in any way.
Now-—can you treat her like a whore-—absolutely-—you answer to God not to me, but if your wife is abused she can report you to a true justice system. Lust can be good inside a marriage, but true love is always self-sacrifice and never uses others in degrading, irrational ways.

Just read part of your response again and it seems you need to have basic understanding of some fundamental Truths of Western Civilization—what gave us the Age of Reason, Modern Science and the US Constitution and our Justice System: Natural Law Theory which is only possible with a Christian worldview. The godless Marxists/Darwinians threw out Natural Law Theory and it is why we are collapsing and Europe it too—except Poland. They are known as Postmodernists, Marxists, communists, Progressives, Humanists, materialists—or whatever—but there is no logic or reason because there are no laws of nature or nature’s God. No Designer, no Design and then no mathematics or science is possible.


28 posted on 11/22/2017 4:37:02 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: savagesusie
So, a wife has a Natural Duty to have sex with her husband-—but not to allow him to sodomize her.

Still another of your straw men - I neither stated nor implied a duty to engage in sodomy.

It is evil to rape your wife

And another straw man - I never stated nor implied the contrary.

Just read part of your response again and it seems you need to have basic understanding of some fundamental Truths of Western Civilization—what gave us the Age of Reason, Modern Science and the US Constitution and our Justice System: Natural Law Theory which is only possible with a Christian worldview.

I explicitly appealed to natural law. You can either explain how my response was faulty, or just expect others to take your word for it - your call.

The grave problem with putting the government in charge of punishing all evil is that 0bama and the Rats held that for nuns to refuse to pay for abortifacient drugs was evil. Our Founding Fathers believed in limited government exactly because only under limited government is it possible for Good to flourish.

I missed your response to this point.

no health hazard like there always is with sodomy of others.

Oral sodomy has no greater hazard to health than intercourse.

I have raised children.....

As have I.

you can normalize anything in a young child

Which in no way implies that everything that is legal becomes normalized, in children or anyone else.

30 posted on 11/22/2017 6:35:54 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: savagesusie
You really should study Natural Law Theory so you understand Locke

The following support my position rather than yours:

"MEN being, as has been said, by nature, all free, equal, and independent, no one can be put out of this estate, and subjected to the political power of another, without his own consent. The only way whereby any one divests himself of his natural liberty, and puts on the bonds of civil society, is by agreeing with other men to join and unite into a community for their comfortable, safe, and peaceable living one amongst another, in a secure enjoyment of their properties, and a greater security against any, that are not of it." - John Locke, Second Treatise of Government

"The Lockean society which has a govern­ment, therefore, is not one which is value­ free or without virtue as held by the revi­sionists. Rather, Lockean society assumes values and is distinguished from others only in the locus of its values and virtue, which are placed in individuals within society as opposed to the state. This distinction be­tween society as the repository of virtue and the state as only a means to regulate coer­cion, indeed, is what defines Lockean soci­ety. Hence, in this type of regime, the gov­ernment is given the very limited, though important, function of only defining and regulating coercion. Otherwise, it is to allow virtue to develop spontaneously in society as the result of free decisions of individuals, since society is the higher repository of virtue, honor, esteem, reverence, etc. which are the ends of life." - http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2017/02/john-locke-harmony-liberty-virtue-donald-devine.html

31 posted on 11/22/2017 7:26:07 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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