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To: savagesusie
An adult has the natural right to perform any act that violates the rights of no other person; abortion violates the rights of the unborn person, but consensual adult sodomy (which, btw, also occurs between men and women) violates nobody's rights, and hence is a right.

WRONG!!!

The Marxists have tried to normalize sodomy

Straw man - I didn't and don't support "normalizing" sodomy. Not everything that is legal is thereby "normalized."

Dehumanization and stripping dignity from other humans by using body parts in irrational—actually insane and disease-causing ways is always evil and reducing them to animal.

Smoking uses one's lungs in an irrational and disease-causing way ... should it be banned?

Only evil laws would promote sodomizing others

Another straw man - I didn't and don't "promote" sodomy nor support its promotion. Not everything that is legal is thereby "promoted."

to little children

Yet another straw man - I explicitly confined my statement to adults.

Vice creates slaves for the State only-—addicts and slaves who can’t control inner base urges.

So you maintain it's impossible to be addicted/enslaved to intercourse? Can you point to any evidence for such a claim?

they had to ban the acts so their men would procreate. They were put into barracks and sodomized since 7 so preferred other men and boys to women.....learned behavior exactly like that of the Afghani harem boys.

As I mentioned, sodomy also occurs between men and women.

The grave problem with putting the government in charge of punishing all evil is that 0bama and the Rats held that for nuns to refuse to pay for abortifacient drugs was evil. Our Founding Fathers believed in limited government exactly because only under limited government is it possible for Good to flourish.

26 posted on 11/22/2017 2:44:26 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Smoking is banned in certain places where it infringes on others—and rightly so. No, you can do whatever you want to your own body (as long as there is no welfare system where I have to pay for YOUR stupidity and ignorance or vice.) You can commit suicide and nothing the state can do about it. No Laws-—for evil, disturbed people will do evil—it is why our Just Laws ONLY promote public virtue, because vice costs us money and promotion of vice to children will alway normalize it—like the photos of males passionately kissing each other on every yahoo page. Children embed images easily. Resources are costly that need to handle vice—jails, hospitals, courts, etc and easily will destroy civil society. Virtue is essential for freedom and civil society (Founders/Aristotle/Cicero).

BUT—you can never do something to another person which strips them of their dignity-—which is slavery or sodomizing or raping others. All evil acts remove dignity and are degrading (reduces to animal). So, should masturating by yourself in a doctors office be “OK”—there is no toxifying smoke and if you are careful with your discharge, there is no health hazard like there always is with sodomy of others.

There is no “Natural Rights” ever to sodomize (dehumanize) and our Constitution ONLY protects our NATURAL RIGHTS as defined by Locke and Natural Law Theory-—not by some irrational judge who defies truth and Reality and Life. Just laws are always “Right Reason according to Natural Law.”

Until the homosexualization of our culture, women would not have allowed themselves to be sodomized. It is filthy and unnatural. You must have grown up in the Deep Throat era where the Harem boy Afganis (ethics) of the pederasts in Hollywood were being given to little children along with literature like “Daddy’s Roommate” and Tango makes Three, so that evil, disgusting nihilistic behaviors, which cause icky proctology problems were normalized in the children.

I have raised children.....you can normalize anything in a young child—even making little boys “think” they are little girls or that Vice is Virtue or removing heads is fun. That is why Aristotle stated that all virtue is learned and habituated in childhood. (That is why the schools put in mandatory indoctrination systems with a Kindergarten. Got to remove children from the Natural family so free will and individualism is destroyed for group-”think”.) BF Skinner techniques work every time so you can actually make a child “think” that sodomy is a virtue and “snow is black”. even though it never can be because it is against Natural Law/science/God’s Laws.


27 posted on 11/22/2017 3:25:20 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: NobleFree

Vice is always addiction and it is outside control of a person. That is why it is so evil. You are a slave (as Aristotle stated) for you have no free will when you are addicted. Outside things control your emotions and you have no ability to stop the action. Vice is ALWAYS an addiction and habituated and slavery.

Virtue is a habit (you could not say a good habit is a vice, although being habituated is like having an addiction. True belief in God creates a type of “addiction” although there are better words for it.

Virtue is inner control of base urges You have free will and able to use Reason instead of act on emotions only. Virtue is needed for civil societies and the Natural Family-—and with Natural Rights (like to marry one woman) there always are Natural Duties—like raining ones own biological children. You really should study Natural Law Theory so you understand Locke and our Constitution and “Justice” system. Justice is the Queen of Virtue and as such all Just Law promotes public virtue.(as Montesquieu so well explained and our Founders).

As Aquinas stated, “When Just Law ceases to be Just (virtuous), it ceases to be Law.” That is exactly what Justice John Marshalll stated and he said ALL “unjust” law is “null and void” and MUST be disobeyed.

But now we have a Vice System-—it promotes vices of sodomy, (irrational use of the word “marriage’), perversion, baby-killing, drugging, mutilation, and theft (welfare which promotes slavery only).

So, a wife has a Natural Duty to have sex with her husband-—but not to allow him to sodomize her. A husband has the Natural Duty to treat his wife with dignity and respect also. With Rights come Duties always. It is evil to rape your wife or demean her sexual organs or yours in any way.
Now-—can you treat her like a whore-—absolutely-—you answer to God not to me, but if your wife is abused she can report you to a true justice system. Lust can be good inside a marriage, but true love is always self-sacrifice and never uses others in degrading, irrational ways.

Just read part of your response again and it seems you need to have basic understanding of some fundamental Truths of Western Civilization—what gave us the Age of Reason, Modern Science and the US Constitution and our Justice System: Natural Law Theory which is only possible with a Christian worldview. The godless Marxists/Darwinians threw out Natural Law Theory and it is why we are collapsing and Europe it too—except Poland. They are known as Postmodernists, Marxists, communists, Progressives, Humanists, materialists—or whatever—but there is no logic or reason because there are no laws of nature or nature’s God. No Designer, no Design and then no mathematics or science is possible.


28 posted on 11/22/2017 4:37:02 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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