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Hold On: Fox News Reporter Cites The Missed Nuance In Trump's Remarks About Putin And 2016 Election
Townhall.com ^ | November 13, 2017 | Matt Vespa

Posted on 11/13/2017 4:44:54 PM PST by Kaslin

So, Donald Trump briefly spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation in Da Nang, Vietnam. He spoke about it with the White House Press Corps onboard Air Force One on the way to Hanoi. Of course, questions about Russian meddling:

REPORTER: Did Russia’s attempts to meddle in U.S. elections come up in the conversation?

TRUMP: He said he didn’t meddle. He said he didn’t meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times. But I just asked him again, and he said he absolutely did not meddle in our election. He did not do what they’re saying he did. And he said —

REPORTER: Do you believe him?

TRUMP: Well, look, I can’t stand there and argue with him. I’d rather have him get out of Syria, to be honest with you. I’d rather have him — you know, work with him on the Ukraine than standing and arguing about whether or not — because that whole thing was set up by the Democrats.

I mean, they ought to look at Podesta. They ought to look at all of the things that they’ve done with the phony dossier. Those are the big events. Those are the big events.

But Putin said he did not do what they said he did. And, you know, there are those that say, if he did do it, he wouldn’t have gotten caught, all right? Which is a very interesting statement. But we have a — you know, we have a good feeling toward getting things done.

If we had a relationship with Russia, that would be a good thing. In fact, it would be a great thing, not a bad thing. Because he could really help us in North Korea. We have a big problem with North Korea. And China is helping us. And because of the lack of a relationship that we have with Russia because of this artificial thing that’s happening with this Democratic-inspired thing, we could really be helped a lot, tremendously, with Russia having to do with North Korea.

And, you know, you’re talking about millions and millions of lives. This isn’t baby stuff. This is the real deal. And if Russia helped us, in addition to China, that problem would go away a lot faster.

REPORTER: How did you bring up the issue of election meddling? Did you ask him a question?

TRUMP: He just — every time he sees me, he says, “I didn’t do that.” And I believe — I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it. But he says, “I didn’t do that.” I think he’s very insulted by it, if you want to know the truth.

Don’t forget, all he said is he never did that, he didn’t do that. I think he’s very insulted by it, which is not a good thing for our country. Because again, if we had a relationship with Russia, North Korea — which is our single biggest problem right now — North Korea, it would be helped a lot.

IMPORTANT NUANCE in @realDonaldTrump statement on Putin denying meddling in US election. @POTUS did NOT say he "believes" Putin. He said he believes Putin "means it" when he says it.— John Roberts (@johnrobertsFox) November 11, 2017

It saddens me that accuracy in reporting is met with scorn in the United States. Add to that the irony that I am currently in a communist nation.— John Roberts (@johnrobertsFox) November 11, 2017

In this case, @johnrobertsFox is right. I said it earlier today: https://t.co/yzV1w5iHch
I've been a harsh #TrumpRussia critic, but accuracy matters no matter which side you're on and Trump's words have been misreported. https://t.co/snLUFKrbIX— Peter Daou (@peterdaou) November 11, 2017

This WP headline is not correct. Trump said “I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it." That's a claim of sincerity, not truth.

Yes, Trump is a liar. But let's hold ourselves to a higher standard. pic.twitter.com/2eAsDx6mC6— Will Saletan (@saletan) November 11, 2017

Roberts is right about this, and everyone mocking him is wrong. Getting quotes right is basic journalism. If we fudge what they mean, why should anyone trust us? https://t.co/nf7xMi39Qn— Will Saletan (@saletan) November 11, 2017

BREAKING: Trump says he believes in U.S. intelligence agencies despite past skepticism, says they're 'led by fine people.'— The Associated Press (@AP) November 12, 2017

This was taken as Trump believing Putin that Russia didn’t interfere in the election. That is not what he said—and people wonder why the media isn’t trusted. Fox News John Roberts noted the nuance, saying that Trump said he believes Putin means what he says about the meddling, not that he—Trump— believes Putin and his denials. Slate’s William Saletan and Verrti’s Peter Daou  (yes, that Peter Daou) admitted that the media coverage was misreporting what Trump actually said. Also, it was three of the seventeen intelligence agencies that signed off on that assessment of the 2016 election. Not commenting on the conclusions of that report because yes, I think it’s quite clear that Russia did interfere, though it was not as effective, or as Manchurian Candidate-level, as the Democrats and the news media make it out to be. Even then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said that to say the intelligence community signed off on this is not accurate. Trump later clarified his remarks. Granted, I don’t necessarily agree that this Russia collusion story is a “Democratic-inspired thing,” though I think it’s outrageously overblown, and that there’s no evidence of collusion. Regardless, the media stepped on a rake on this one, with even Clinton’s most loyal supporter agreeing as such.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 2016election; election; liberalmedia; libmediabias; media; msm; presidenttrump; russia; trump; vladimirputin

1 posted on 11/13/2017 4:44:54 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Most reporters are not interested in integrity or accurate reporting. They really hurt the profession as a whole. Though sadly I think they are the majority, not a small insignificant minority.


2 posted on 11/13/2017 4:56:31 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Kaslin
"If we had a relationship with Russia, that would be a good thing. In fact, it would be a great thing, not a bad thing. Because he could really help us in North Korea. We have a big problem with North Korea."

Russia and North Korea declare 2015 a ‘year of friendship’

“The biggest cause for concern is the growing military alliance between Russia and North Korea, with the two regimes recently announcing plans to conduct a series of joint army, navy and air force exercises this year.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/11463265/Russia-and-North-Korea-declare-2015-a-year-of-friendship.html

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Russia steps up North Korea support to constrain US

May 17, 2017

“Despite efforts by the United Nations to impose isolating sanctions on North Korea in response to the country’s continued development of nuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles, trade between Russia and North Korea soared more than 85 percent in the first four months of the year.”

http://www.dw.com/en/russia-steps-up-north-korea-support-to-constrain-us/a-38867861

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Putin very much wants a 'unified Korea' (under communist NK rule)

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Sept 5, 2017

North Korea nuclear crisis: Putin calls sanctions useless

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said pursuing further sanctions against North Korea is “useless”, saying “they’d rather eat grass than give up their nuclear programme”.

The US said on Monday it would table a new UN resolution on tougher sanctions in the wake of the latest test of a nuclear bomb by the North on Sunday.

Mr Putin also said that the ramping up of “military hysteria” could lead to global catastrophe.

He said diplomacy was the only answer.

China, the North’s main ally, has also called for a return to negotiations. ...”

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41158281

3 posted on 11/13/2017 5:05:36 PM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Nukes. See my FR page)
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To: Kaslin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTO8_KNcuo

The pressittues vs President Trump remind me of that scene from Kindgartner Cop


4 posted on 11/13/2017 5:11:25 PM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: Kaslin

Thank you for posting this about the nuance of the president’s response to the question:

“IMPORTANT NUANCE in @realDonaldTrump statement on Putin denying meddling in US election. @POTUS did NOT say he “believes” Putin. He said he believes Putin “means it” when he says it.— John Roberts (@johnrobertsFox) November 11, 2017.”

Unfortunately, I think that John Roberts was probably the only reporter there that caught it.


5 posted on 11/13/2017 5:11:44 PM PST by GreyFriar ((Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87))
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To: Robert DeLong
Most reporters are not interested in integrity or accurate reporting.

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THAT is why there is nearly NO journalism today. The country is pretty much over. Sixty years of brain-washing in the schools and communist propaganda in all the media has raised three generations of worthless "citizens".

This country is near dead.

6 posted on 11/13/2017 5:27:32 PM PST by a little elbow grease (...... it's hard to get by just upon a smile)
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To: GreyFriar

The other reporters probably weren’t interested in reporting the truth


7 posted on 11/13/2017 5:36:49 PM PST by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero)
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To: Kaslin
If we fudge what they mean, why should anyone trust us?

We don't. And you have been fudging a lot.

8 posted on 11/13/2017 5:48:48 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom
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To: gunsequalfreedom

all the FakeMSM mob get it...but they simply distort every single thing the President says to suit their anti-Trump agenda.

in other words, it matters not what the President says or does, it will ALWAYS be reported negatively. ignore the MSM.


9 posted on 11/13/2017 7:32:22 PM PST by MAGAthon
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To: a little elbow grease

I fear you may be right. I pray that is not the case though.


10 posted on 11/13/2017 7:35:53 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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The MSM is the Country’s greatest. Willing facilitators: Disney, Comcast, and now AT&T.


11 posted on 11/13/2017 7:45:39 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Kaslin

Is there any such thing as bonfide intelligence anymore?????

These things aren’t discovered by phony dossiers or “believing” somebody. They’re discovered by actual bonafide intelligence.

As far as I’m concerned at this point, if there was any collusion with the Russians it looks like it was the Democrats.

We need to get first-rate intelligence back and running.


12 posted on 11/13/2017 8:12:35 PM PST by Jim 0216
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Thanks Kaslin.

13 posted on 11/14/2017 12:46:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Fudging is an ideal that present-day media can merely aspire to. Usually they just lie.


14 posted on 11/14/2017 2:28:43 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Eleutheria5

You are correct. There is very, very little journalism left in the world. It slipped past objective journalism in the mid 90’s when advocacy journalism grads swarmed the newsrooms as cub reporters. Today it is largely propaganda.


15 posted on 11/14/2017 6:56:33 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Kaslin
Trump should shift the topic to all the OTHER countries attempting to influence US politics. Like Saudi Arabia.

The Mansourian Candidate:

The old article described a $20 million dollar fund from OPEC and Saudi Prince Alwaleed to place promising 'blacks, Arabs, Hispanics, Asians and native Americans' into elite colleges. The conduit was a lawyer named Khalid al-Mansour. The article's author was Vernon Jarrett.
The Saudis spent huge amounts of money recruiting "agents of influence" on American college campuses, and promoting their careers. One notable beneficiary of Saudi money: Barack Obama.
16 posted on 11/14/2017 8:39:12 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

It began sinking into fake news around the time Lowell Thomas was thinking about retirement.


17 posted on 11/14/2017 8:41:52 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Robert DeLong

WHO was the Fox Reporter. He just wouldn’t give up. Wow, the swamp seems to have arms everywhere.


18 posted on 11/14/2017 3:39:37 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: Sam Gamgee

Fox News John Roberts noted the nuance


19 posted on 11/15/2017 6:07:19 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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