Boy Scouts Will Admit Girls, Allow Them to Earn Eagle Scout Rank

Well, bert, maybe you can't understand how the simple question that is the converse of "Should girls be allowed in the Boy Scouts" (i.e., "Should boys be allowed in the Girl Scouts") is relevent, but of course it most certainly is, as is the effort to elicit your views on that converse question. (Of course, when asked questions like that, you have the right to remain silent and keep your views hidden, and anything you say may be used against you in a court of FR, and I think I know why you didn't want to answer that question, and, instead, just dodged it.)

Let me ask you a few questions that is more narrowly focused on the narrow points you've made in this thread. (You, of course, do not have to answer any of these questions either.)

In the past few years, the Boy Scouts of America changed their rules to permit openly homosexual boys and men to be Boy Scouts and Boy Scout leaders. Is that pro-family? (Would you want to send your son/grandson/nephew on a camping trip in the woods with an openly queer scout leader? That's like sending your daughter on a camping trip with Harvey Weinstein!)

At the beginning of this year, the Boy Scouts of American changed their rules in order to permit transgender boys/men to become Boy Scouts. Is that pro family? (Many people agreed with Todd Starnes at Fox News, who said at this link that it was time for churches to sever ties with the Boy Scouts of America, because of their perverted changes.)

Are you aware that many Girl Scout officials (such as those at this link) are infuriated by the Boy Scouts decision to admit girls to their organization?

Do you really believe that the Boy Scouts of America of today are pro-family?

-—Do you really believe that the Boy Scouts of America of today are pro-family?-—

Yes of course.

Scout Law Twelfth Point: A scout is reverend.

I would argue there are more queer church choir directors than scoutmasters. I would argue the number of queer boy scouts is very few to almost none.

To raise the issues you did indicates lack of understanding of the BSA organization. The gate keeper so to speak is not the national nor local council organizations but rather the Sponsoring Institution. The sponsoring institution is the ultimate keeper of queers out of the troop. Every leader submits an application that is checked to be sure the individual is suitable for a leadership position. Additionally, on entry and every year there after, each leader takes a somewhat rigorous youth protection training course. And most sponsoring institutions are in fact churches.

The rule is two deep leadership, that is, one on one is not allowed by BSA. There must always be two leaders. There are a lot more safe guards in the training but these are the main ones. The only adults sleeping in tents with boys are registered fathers or mothers.

Then there are the boys. I’ve never seen a 11 year old queer. Most boys drop out by the time they are teenagers. It’s possible that one might declare himself to be queer at 13 or 14 but the number of 13 or 14 year queer old boys desiring to join scouts is miniscule. Teen age boys don’t join scouts. If a teen queer does join, his motivation is most likely to promote the queer agenda rather than to be a scout.

There are BSA programs for teen age boys to join but that is a different matter. Girls 14 and older are also allowed to join these BSA programs.

When the announcements were made, some church sponsored troops could not tolerate the congregational peer pressure and disbanded. It was folks much like you that feared what people would say about them being associated with a church that sponsored Scouts. That’s pretty ordinary behavior in some denominations and not just about scouts.

Then there is the family its self. Back in say the 70’s we had women’ lib. Women were free to do things they did not before. Those women had children and some of those were daughters. They were free. They married and had families and discovered they liked the out of doors and generally the activities of Scouting. They supported their sons and more than you might think actually took on significant registered leadership roles. They are very active in all troop activities including the out of door activities. As mothers, they keep a close eye on things.

There was one glaring problem. Sisters. In many troops where scouting had become a family activity, sisters were allowed to tag along. They were not permitted to be part of the advancement program nor of the numerous leadership training activities.

The bottom line is that the families that participate in church sponsored BSA unit activities are not the families that once were. The marginal troops ehat left BSA had members migrate to stronger troops. Although that is not 100% the case it happened. Good strong troops that have a good strong church as sponsoring institution wot strong well trained adult leadership that includes registered mothers and even some women that stay on after sons have grown up and gone, are perhaps one on the most pro family organizations existent.

Lastly, I know from experience, many preachers disdain scouting because they can’t get their deacons to control the troop. The troop doesn’t add substantially to the collection and may in fact have members not members of the church. That is good reason to get rid of them. The queer thing is all that is needed to solve their problem

Here's the undeniable facts now:

The Boy Scouts of America organization now warmly welcomes openly gay Boy Scouts and Boy Scout leaders.
The Boy Scouts of America organization now warmly welcomes transgender Boy Scouts and Boy Scout leaders.
The Boy Scouts of America organization now warmly welcomes Girl Boy Scouts and Girl Boy Scout leaders.
To fully support the Boy Scouts today (not half-assed support) means a person would have to fully support all those official Boy Scout rules and declarations, and to believe they are fully pro-family means one has to fully believe the broader teachings they openly espouse, not just the practices of the tiny local patrol/troop/den/pack a person happens to be involved with. (For any who stubbornly keep their heads buried in the sand concerning those broader national approvals of sick and perverted behaviors, it is like being in a local "Black Lives Matter" group that happens to be one of those who don't personally practice violence, but support the larger group which strongly promotes violence. If they fully, openly or tacitly support those ideas of the broader group, they are still guilty of promoting those sick ideas being spread by the broader national group to Boy Scout groups all over the country.)

Unless they change, it will soon get to a point where the Boy Scouts and their leaders will consist solely of poofters, trannies, pedophiles, feminazis, and male milquetoasts who support or give tacit acceptance to the open behaviors of poofters, trannies, pedophiles, and feminazis (who have been trying for many years now to push girls into the Boy Scouts, and to become leaders themselves in that organization, and are finally succeeding).

I generally find I agree with you but this paragraph has got some issues with which I need to respectfully disagree.

Young children model older adolescent behavior and young adult behavior much like a suit of clothes -- they try it on for fit and looks. I don't think of Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts (starting at 10 1/2) as capable of being classified as homosexual, hetrosexual or sexual beings at all. They are children, albeit children that may model behavior as I mentioned.

I was an adult scouter for about 15 years, and a scout in my youth.

In my youth, I didn't remember any homosexual scouts. However, looking at them later in young adulthood, they were there. If general population is 1.5% then scouts was probably 2.5 as kids that later turned out to be homosexual were more interested in non-sports and boy oriented events.

As an adult, my observation 25 years later was similar. We had about 3 kids that a decade later decided to live as homosexuals -- late in High School or later in life. These were spaced out over about a dozen years. One was a very good Senior Patrol Leader, well respected by the other Scouts and by the adult leadership. Another was maladjusted in other behavior and was only involved for a couple of years. The third was a Lindsey Graham type kid and when I last saw him he was in his late twenties and still hadn't begun adult relationships but was trying to build a work career and be a good person -- perhaps he ended up straight.

The point is that as we understood these kids to be children, we let them be children and we did not allow kids to label each other of bring up issues involved with sexual maturity.

In both periods there were kids who later in life turned out to be homosexual, but we did not try and "butch up" the little boy who was afraid of everything or get involved in anything other that modeling mature adult behavior.

We did have a couple of dads that I or others were concerned about. There was one we discouraged from participating at all and another for whom we allowed no leadership role and kept a close eye on for the few times he attended outdoor events.

bert,
Besides the paragraph I cherry-picked, I looked back to your first post on the thread and understand better where you are coming from in your comments.

If I was still in a Troop as I was in the 80s and early 90s, I would be fighting hard to keep it in line, see my kids successfully through the program, and staying concerned about what good it could add to my community. Abandoning it while on the skids would not be what I would have done. I and the men I served with would have faced the national problems, as ugly as they were and bowed our backs to have a successful completion for our sons and the other kids.

I was back in my hometown about three years ago, and a man about forty came up to me, greeted me by name and introduced himself with his full name. Once I heard it I realized he had been in my wife’s Cub den, my Webelos’ den and later in my scout troop but I had last seen him at fifteen. He spent about ten minutes telling the entire barbershop full of people how much he was grateful to myself and my buddies for being his scout leader and what a big deal it was in his life. I know you are going to have a similar experience one day.

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