Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Harvey climate deniers take a page from Big Tobacco | Editorial
New Jersey Star-Ledger ^ | August 31, 2017 | By Star-Ledger Editorial Board

Posted on 08/31/2017 6:11:36 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-56 next last
To: Oldeconomybuyer

Wasn’t Galveston hit by a big hurricane a while back? Around September 1900? Must have been caused by cow farts.


21 posted on 08/31/2017 6:30:39 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. Obama free since 1/20/17. PTL ~ Þ)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer

Amelia dropped 48 inches of rain on Medina, Texas in 1978. Back then, the New York Times was saying we were on our way into an ice age. With “global warming”, we topped that record by four inches, and this journalist thinks that proves something significant about warming. All I see is major rainfall events in Texas, and this one is very much like Amelia and like several other events in Texas.
- Hurricane Amelia 48 inches in Texas in 1978
- Tropical Storm Claudette 45 inches in Texas in 1979
- Tropical Storm Allison 41 inches in Texas in 2001

My conclusion (based on the math and science, rather than a political agenda):
When you spin a top and it hits something, it goes flying in one direction or another. When you spin a top on a perfectly smooth surface, it can stay in one place for a long time. That part of Texas is very smooth, so it’s possible for a hurricane/storm (effectively a spinning top) to sit in one place for days.


22 posted on 08/31/2017 6:30:52 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s sunny and warm here... And raining over there, it must be that nasty old ‘climate change’.


23 posted on 08/31/2017 6:32:02 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer

There have been plenty of stronger hurricanes. This one caused a lot of flooding because of the time it stayed over one area. Climate alarmists are ignoring that little fact.


24 posted on 08/31/2017 6:32:15 AM PDT by ArcadeQuarters ("Immigration Reform" is ballot stuffing)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer

AGW IS a hoax. The only reason Harvey did so much damage is that the Houston area terrain lies like a humongous catch basin. PROOF? The water is still lying there like a giant pond. Dummies think the most recent event is the worst there ever was. And their propagandist masters love it.


25 posted on 08/31/2017 6:33:06 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Read: Psalm 145. The whole psalm.....aloud; as praise to our God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
They conveniently forget about Amelia in 1978:

"Harvey could dump as much as 50 inches of rain on parts of coastal Texas from Sunday to Thursday. That would break the record for rainfall from a tropical cyclone in the United States, which was set in 1978 by tropical storm Amelia. That storm came ashore near Brownsville, Texas, in July 1978, moved slowly inland, and dropped 48 inches of rain."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/08/hurricane-harvey-floods-historic-rainfall/

26 posted on 08/31/2017 6:33:38 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer

The only problem is that they predicted this sort of storm would happen in greater frequency. Epic fail.


27 posted on 08/31/2017 6:33:39 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom not more government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer

It wasn’t a “monster hurricane.” It was a small one that got stuck between two high-pressure centers.


28 posted on 08/31/2017 6:34:53 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer

What about the no hurricanes for the past 12 years hitting the USA?


29 posted on 08/31/2017 6:35:37 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer

Global warming predicts everything including acne, so how can the theory be wrong? It predicted floods and droughts.


30 posted on 08/31/2017 6:38:11 AM PDT by Raycpa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer

Harvey hit as a cat 4 hurricane at 10 pm Friday.
By noon Saturday, it was downgraded to a tropical storm.

What made Harvey bad, were the 2 high pressure systems in front and behind, that caused Harvey to stall over the area for 5 days.


31 posted on 08/31/2017 6:38:20 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer

... the kind of weather event that scientists have been predicting climate change would give us, a monster hurricane.

You mean like the Galveston hurricane of 1900 that killed thousands?


32 posted on 08/31/2017 6:39:07 AM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer
Some "settled science" on hurricanes:

"The prevailing scientific opinion — seen in this 2012 report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change — is that while tropical storms are likely to become more powerful and rainier as the climate warms, they would also become less common.

"A new study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, however, suggest that we may not be so lucky. Kerry Emanuel, an atmospheric scientist at the Massachusetts institute of Technology (MIT) and one of the foremost experts on hurricanes and climate change, argues that tropical cyclones are likely to become both stronger and more frequent as the climate continues to warm."

http://science.time.com/2013/07/09/a-new-study-says-hurricanes-will-get-stronger-and-more-frequent-thanks-to-climate-change/

-----

"...hurricanes have been shifting pole-ward at a rate of 30 to 40 miles per decade over the last 30 years. It means they are moving closer to major population centers such as Washington, New York and Boston.

“Increasing hazard exposure and mortality risk from tropical cyclones may be compounded in coastal cities outside the tropics, while being offset at lower latitudes.”

http://blogs.edf.org/climate411/2014/06/02/study-climate-change-may-push-hurricanes-farther-north-south/

"Climate change might alter atmospheric conditions so that future hurricanes may be pushed away from the East Coast, according to a study published Monday by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.

"The changes they predict could make it less likely that a future hurricane would follow a path similar to the one that Hurricane Sandy took last fall, when it devastated much of the northeastern U.S. coast, particularly New Jersey and New York."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/09/130902-hurricanes-climate-change-superstor m-sandy-global-warming-storms-science-weather/

"Jennifer Francis, a meteorologist at Rutgers University, said the study "makes a useful contribution" to the understanding of how climate warming may be affecting weather patterns. But she said that though the computer models used in the study are the best available, their accuracy is uncertain."

33 posted on 08/31/2017 6:39:37 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer

And how many category 4 hurricanes have there been historically?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_4_Atlantic_hurricanes

And that only counts Category 4.

Here is the problem with removing or sanitizing history - loss of perspective.


34 posted on 08/31/2017 6:41:06 AM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TakebackGOP
NJ Starledger/NJ.com is a Democrat propaganda publication.

Question: How many facts does it take to fool a Democrat?

ANS: NONE. Facts are irrelevant to a Demonrat.

35 posted on 08/31/2017 6:43:20 AM PDT by politicianslie (There are no MODERATE MUSLIMS.. ALL MUSLMS are commanded by KORAN to kill infidels. ALL MUST GO!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: a fool in paradise
Galveston 1900:  6K to 12K dead.

Houston 2017:  0.021 K dead.

12K / 0.021K = 571.

So 117 years ago before "global warming", the hurricane was 571 times more deadly in absolute terms.

However, in 1900 Galveston's population was 38K. So in 1900, roughly 1/3 of Galveston were killed by the hurricane. Translate that to 2017 numbers and Houston should now have 800,000 dead. In fact, the death toll for Houston is so very low with the 2017 hurricane that the numbers are lost in the noise of normal deaths that occur.

Hurricanes cause damage and death. But it would be hard to second guess the handling of this storm. All in all, nature did her thing, and 2.4 million people survived.
 

36 posted on 08/31/2017 6:46:53 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Cletus.D.Yokel

At my house in NW Georgia, 99% totality, 14 F degree drop. Temperature went from 93 to 79 and an hour later back up to 93. This was air temperature as sensor was under tree shade to avoid direct radiation heating.


37 posted on 08/31/2017 6:47:06 AM PDT by Techster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: BykrBayb

That happened because ‘climate change’ was created when man started burning fire.... Since then, human interaction with nature has pretty much determined when the sun will shine, when the snow will fall, how much water there is on earth (which by the way, is the same amount as there was in the beginning because water doesn’t actually go anywhere) and just how hot and cold we are... It’s all because of humans breathing and farting.

It has nothing to do with any other species breathing or farting, or with the earth travelling in an orbit around the sun, or the other planets in the solar system, or the moon or any of that other stuff out there in this colossal universe that we live in, or God forbid, with the creator... IT’S ALL BECAUSE OF US. Because AL GORE says so.


38 posted on 08/31/2017 6:50:42 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yeah, because the “New Jersey Star-Ledger” editor board knows so freaking much about the weather.


39 posted on 08/31/2017 6:51:06 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Wake up and smell the Covfefe.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: circlecity

There have been storms of this magnitude - range and amount of rainfall - before. (the lists are out there; the difference of an inch or so is NOT a “catastrophic” material difference).

What has been happening in the Houston area, for decades, is its sinking. So ANY major storm is going to produce more flooding than the same storm would have before.


40 posted on 08/31/2017 6:53:11 AM PDT by Wuli
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-56 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson