Posted on 08/24/2017 8:10:29 AM PDT by rktman
...St. Paul is alluding to Genesis 3:15 when, in his letter to the Romans, he writes:
"For while your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you, I would have you wise as to what is good and guileless as to what is evil; then the God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet."- [Rom 16:19-20)
It's this participatory aspect of *our* cooperation with God, which is modeled by *Mary's* cooperation with God.
As for Trump... well, we can all hope that he cooperates with God.
Let us pray.
We've accepted kitties with big, sad eyes and dogs playing poker; so why not?
;^)
I think they really screwed the pooch when they decided to hold our pictures hostage!
No different than these hacker jerks that lock up your computer until you pay.
I've walked beside that ditch and it seemed so out of place in the desert.
But very well appreciated!!
The irrigation ditches for the orchard; over at Lee's Ferry; were VERY well liked by my pooch one year. It was 107° and GOD only knows HOW hot it was in the microclimate near the ground where my dog was walking. But he RAN towards the water and jumped right in; wearing a silly dog grin!!
Come on down and we’ll baptize you as the official pastor of the ditch.....
If I waited until I was trained;
I’d use more than just half my brain.
To ‘rite silly rhyme,
takes so little my time;
I’m sorry - I’ll never be Twain.
Just can NOT leave your Roman training out of it; can you!?
Luke 1:26-38 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
26 And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.
31 Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever.
33 And of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?
35 And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shalt come upon thee, and the power of the most High shalt overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shalt be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And behold thy cousin Elizabeth, she also hath conceived a son in her old age; and this is the sixth month with her that is called barren:
37 Because no word shalt be impossible with God.
38 And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
(shall / shalt is NOT 'asking' Mary if she'll cooperate with GOD.
This ain't COOPERATING; but stating the FACTs of the FUTURE!
I’m afraid some on FR would call me the son of a ditch.
Thanks for the pic!
I wouldn’t mind having a print of that.
Not all of us have the same taste in art. If I couldnt resell it, I wouldnt give you $10 for all of the galloping glop-ery of con artists like Monet and Manet combined. Ill give you $5 for all of Picasso and Warhols works combined if I were really cold and low on fuel. My children when they were toddlers and the famous animal artists do better work of expressing emotion through the use of color and all the rest of the those standards than those clowns.
Art experts, like wine snobs and fashion experts, are nothing more than bullshit salesman.
Its connecting with an audience that makes one an artist not the definition of what a proper stroke is as given by someone looking to protect his investments.
Sorry.
Aren't you one of those who pouts a mighty pout if somebody comes along and re-words what you had said to suggest something yet else?
Don't look now, but you just did what you've complained others have done to your own words, and [Roman] Catholic "teachings" -- yourself having done so towards citation of scriptural text merely highlighted for emphasis.
Putting the words you wrote towards that passage of scripture Elsie posted is like spitting in the face of the authors of the New Testament.
Just where do you get off? Ah, forget it. I don't care where but do hope that it's soon. Take the portable, but still deep enough to be seriously mired within if not drowned in, buckets of Marianist quicksand you keep lugging around and spreading in front of people's feet, practically condemning them if they refuse to dive in headfirst --out of here.
The angel's appearance and announcement to her of what would happen, and her own acceptance and acquiescence (even though as she expressed "how could this be...?") to that is not the place of *cooperation* many make it out to be. If that were to be model for ourselves to follow, then you would be well off in something of a Calvinistic overall approach.
You like to think (and say) that Roman Catholicism is 'coherent', yet if Mary were to have been in position to not acquiesce -- if the Lord knew there was possibility that she could have, had she so desired -- then what of Mary being alleged born sinless -- entirely "preserved from sin" from moment even of her own conception?
Something's got to give way here. Both of these extra-biblical considerations which you oft espouse cannot logically be true at once. Not unless there possibly were others "Immaculately conceived" before Mary alleged was, and/or the Lord would need do that all over again with some other Israelite maiden had Mary refused to accept what the angel announced to her would occur...
Yet too, that she did yield herself does not necessarily mean that the dogma of Immaculate Conception for Mary herself is actually true --- even if the Creator knew well in advance of sending an angel to Mary (and I venture to say that He did know well in advance) what Mary's own personal reaction would be.
She was told that she would conceive, and somehow she knew this would not involve a man -- whether that be she sensed that this would occur immediately (I get a sense of that, beyond that being merely only possibility -- the scripture seeming to indicate that it must have occurred forthwith, Mary being pregnant upon arrival at her cousin Elizabeth's residence) and whether or not she may have been 'testing' the angel with her question too, being as Luke puts it in his explanation at time of the angel's announcement to Mary, Mary was betrothed (engaged to be married) to Joseph. It's ok by biblical standards to "test the spirits', in fact in NT text the faithful are instructed to. 1 John 4:1
Another problem with the way you chose to put things -- that it must be the way you say, or else it's "rape" of a "reproductive concubine"-- is that however the conception of Christ occurred, there was no sexual act -- that we know of. The Holy Spirit is spirit -- not having a physical body such as ours.
How could it be rape lacking physical penetration? Answer me that, or else retract the type of response you just gave to Elsie, forevermore.
Wymen's Studies majors at modern-day institutions of so-called "higher learning" may insist that men are rapists even if they don't even touch the woman, but hardly anyone else believes that kind of nonsense. If that doesn't work in regards to man, then how could that kind of thinking 'work' in regard to the Holy Creator? I'd ask for further explanation on that point, but prefer to not invite, encourage and give place for your usual sophistries...
See what happens when departing from what is written? Paul warned against that, you know? Do not go beyond what is written. I Corinthians 4:6
Tell your Master.
It's recorded in the Book they assembled.
But we DON'T!!!
Our ECFs wrote all KINDS of things; and we follow THEIR words!
--Poorly_Catechized_Dude(Hail Mary!!)
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