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Regulating Guns
Townhall.com ^ | August 9, 2017 | John Stossel

Posted on 08/09/2017 9:30:30 AM PDT by Kaslin

Have a gun license? Plan to bring your gun to my hometown? Don't.

Mean New York authorities will make your life miserable.

Patricia Jordan and her daughter flew here from her home state of Georgia. She wanted her gun nearby for protection.

Jordan obeyed all the Transportation Security Administration's rules: She put her gun in a locked TSA-approved case with its bullets separate. She informed the airline that she had a gun. The airline had no problem with that.

In New York City, she kept the gun locked in her hotel room. She never needed it, but her daughter told me, "I was glad she brought it just in case something did happen."

When leaving the city, Jordan followed the TSA's rules again. At the airline counter, she again told the agent she wanted to check her gun. But this time, she was told: "Wait."

"Next thing I know, they're getting ready to arrest me," she said.

Her daughter was crying, "Please don't arrest my mom!" But New York City cops arrested her, jailed her and told her she was guilty of a felony that mandates a minimum 3 1/2 years in jail.

Jordan's ordeal is not unique. Roughly once a week, New York City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed by other states.

Another Georgia visitor, Avi Wolf, was jailed although he didn't even have a gun. He just had part of a gun -- an empty magazine -- a little plastic box with a small metal spring. He brought it to the city because it wasn't working well and he thought a New York friend might repair it. He couldn't believe he was being arrested.

"Somebody could've done more damage to an individual with a fork from McDonald's," Wolf told me.

Wolf, too, checked with the TSA beforehand. They said, just declare it to TSA agents. So he did.

"I'm telling them ... I have a magazine here. It's empty, no bullets ... Next thing I know they're pulling me over to the side, they're like, 'Do you know what you have in your bag?!' 'I know what I have in my bag, I told you what I have in my bag.'"

Following TSA instructions didn't do Wolf any good. "Fast forward about an hour and it was four Port Authority police there. The chief of LaGuardia airport is there, [as if] they thought they found somebody trying to do 9/11 repeat," he says.

"They asked me if I had a gun license. Of course I had a license. I'm from Georgia, and everybody there's got a gun license. And they're like, well, sir, you're going to be getting arrested now."

Wolf and Jordan spent less than a day in jail, but each had to pay lawyers $15,000 to bargain the felony charge down to "public disorder."

"We are not going to apologize for enforcing our gun laws," said Assistant District Attorney Jack Ryan when I confronted him about these pointless and cruel arrests. He said New York City enforces laws as "humanely and as compassionately as we can."

But the system is neither fair nor humane.

Patricia Jordan kept her bullets separate from her gun, as TSA regulations require.

"The officer could not even find my bullets in my suitcase. I had to show him where they were," she told me.

That didn't matter, said the DA, because the gun and bullets were in the same suitcase.

"Under New York law, if they're together, they're loaded," says Ryan.

"They're loaded even if they're not loaded?!" I asked. Yes, he said.

I called him a sadistic bully (the full video is at JohnStossel.com). He replied that New York City must make sure people are "not threats."

New York claims this keeps us safe. But people like Jordan and Wolf actually make us safer. Texas data shows licensed gun owners are seven times less likely to murder someone than a nonlicensed person. They also prevent some crimes. Nationwide, crime has dropped as the percentage of people with concealed handgun permits has risen.

Licensed gun owners aren't the problem. Crazy laws and callous prosecution are.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: California; US: Illinois; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; newyorkcity; righttoarms
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1 posted on 08/09/2017 9:30:31 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Meanwhile street gangs laugh.


2 posted on 08/09/2017 9:33:16 AM PDT by SkyDancer (You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: Kaslin

Don’t have anything, anything that remotely looks like a weapon either on you or in your carry on. Nothing. Not even a picture of a gun. Some kids’ plastic 10” sword from Dizzyland - forget it, not allowed.


3 posted on 08/09/2017 9:35:14 AM PDT by SkyDancer (You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: Kaslin

Just stay the hell out of New York...if you can. I’ve never been there and never will.


4 posted on 08/09/2017 9:36:32 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers)
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To: Kaslin

Oh and also, don’t go to NYC, Joisey, IL, or any of those other gun crazed law states if you absolutely don’t have to.


5 posted on 08/09/2017 9:36:40 AM PDT by SkyDancer (You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: SkyDancer

This was not carry-on


6 posted on 08/09/2017 9:43:59 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Kaslin

I do not go to NY. I do not do any business with any company in NY. I encourage all my friends and business acquaintances to do the same.


7 posted on 08/09/2017 9:44:36 AM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: Kaslin

hoplophobia
n. Irrational, morbid fear of guns (coined by Col. Jeff Cooper, from the Greek “hoplites,” weapon).
May cause sweating, faintness, discomfort, rapid pulse, nausea, sleeplessness, more, at mere thought of guns. Hoplophobes are common and should never be involved in setting gun policies.
Point out hoplophobic behavior when noticed, it is dangerous, sufferers deserve pity, and should seek treatment. When confronted, hoplophobes typically go into denial, a common characteristic of the affliction.
Often helped by training, or by coaching at a range, a process known to psychiatry as “desensitization,” often useful in treating many phobias. Also: Hoplophobe, hoplophobic.
“The person had hoplophobia and passed out at the mere sight of a gun.”
#anti-gun #anti-firearm #gun#weapon #fear #haplaphobia #hoplaphobia


8 posted on 08/09/2017 9:47:05 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Kaslin
Well Patricia, maybe you better take a look at state laws before you go traipsing around the country with your gat.
9 posted on 08/09/2017 9:49:23 AM PDT by onona
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To: onona

Agreed. You never carry a gun out of state until you research the local and state laws where you are going with regard to gun permit reciprocity.


10 posted on 08/09/2017 9:51:48 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Kaslin; All
When the states ratified the 14th Amendment, they gave Congress the power to strengthen constitutionally enumerated rights, the 2nd Amendment for example.
”14th Amendment, Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States [emphasis added]; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

One problem with state gun regulation overreach is this. We have a corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress left over from the lawless Obama Administration that is still refusing to do its job to make laws to protect citizens from state abridgment of constitutionally enumerated protections.

Drain the swamp sewer! Drain the sewer!

Remember in November 2018 !

Since corrupt Congress is the biggest part of the sewer (imo) that Trump wants to drain, it is actually up to patriots to drain the sewer in the 2018 elections, patriots supporting Trump by electing as many new members of Congress as they can who will support Trump.

In the meanwhile, patriots need to make sure that there are plenty of Trump-supporting candidates on the primary ballots.

Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.

Patriots also need to make sure that candidates are knowledgeable of the Supreme Court's clarifications of the federal government’s limited powers listed here.

Also, unlike incumbent members of Congress who wrongly remained silent while misguided state officials abridged the constitutionally enumerated rights of citizens during the lawless Obama Administration, patriots need to make sure that candidates on the 2018 primary ballots commit to the following.

Candidates need to commit to making and enforcing 14th Amendment-related laws to prosecute misguided state officials who use state powers to abridge constitutionally enumerated protections, 1st Amendment-protected religious expression and free speech for example, such actions prohibited by Section 1 of the 14th Amendment shown above.

Again, drain the sewer! Drain the sewer!

11 posted on 08/09/2017 9:52:42 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: tumblindice

....hoplophobia...

A serious mental illness manifested primarily in Democrats and other liberals.
The only cure is a mugging or other potentially deadly assault on the person suffering from the condition. This sometimes cures the illness.


12 posted on 08/09/2017 9:53:43 AM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning.)
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To: Kaslin

Assistant District Attorney Jack Ryan is a POS. This is simply a scam to fill lawyer’s pockets.


13 posted on 08/09/2017 9:55:53 AM PDT by Seruzawa (FABOL - F*** A Bunch Of Liberals)
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To: onona
Well Patricia, maybe you better take a look at state laws before you go traipsing around the country with your gat.

There is this: Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. But I guess it's not relevant. Maybe it only applies to homosexual "marriages"?

ML/NJ

14 posted on 08/09/2017 10:00:43 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: circlecity

From the article, it would appear that she DID do the research and did what was required and still ran afoul of their burdensome “requirements”.

What part of “shall not be infringed” is complicated for you?


15 posted on 08/09/2017 10:00:49 AM PDT by Zarro (Oh, we don't call them the "MSM" any longer; they are now the "Basket of Detestables")
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To: Kaslin

Unfortunate, but when you travel with weapons it is incumbent on you to know the law. Information on New York is readily available, a gun owner should never put themselves in this situation.


16 posted on 08/09/2017 10:00:50 AM PDT by Bayan
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To: Kaslin

One reason that I will always prefer to travel to and do business with free states.


17 posted on 08/09/2017 10:01:04 AM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: Kaslin

Even if you only happen to be in New York because your plane was diverted there from your intended destination, you’ll find that all that checking of the rules and obedience to airline regulations won’t help you. Flying with a firearm - I’ve done it - really isn’t all that difficult unless you happen to get caught in one of these nasty little traps.


18 posted on 08/09/2017 10:01:52 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Kaslin

Sadly, “Know before you go!” applies in a lot of cases despite what the 2nd amendment says.


19 posted on 08/09/2017 10:04:35 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: SkyDancer

You will love this story.

Years ago my B-I-L and I were flying to Vegas from Orange County John Wayne Airport.

He had some Cigars in his Carryon, and a Cigar Punch made from “shudder”, a 45 Cartridge. You pulled it apart and the round cutter was on the ass end of the Bullet. It cost about $20 when I bought it for him as a Birthday Gift.

It was a “stop the presses” TSA Moment. They carefully examined the Punch. They took it apart, put it back together, asked us what it was for (I guess TSA Agents don’t smoke Cigars), took it aside to examine it more thoroughly and then the THREE Agents decided that my B-I-L could not take it on the Aircraft.

At that point my B-I-L voluntarily surrendered the obvious Terrorist implement of death and destruction.

$20 down the shitter, but the Aircraft arrived safe and sound in Sin City thanks to the valiant efforts of TSA.


20 posted on 08/09/2017 10:04:58 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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