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Posted on 08/09/2017 9:30:30 AM PDT by Kaslin
Have a gun license? Plan to bring your gun to my hometown? Don't.
Mean New York authorities will make your life miserable.
Patricia Jordan and her daughter flew here from her home state of Georgia. She wanted her gun nearby for protection.
Jordan obeyed all the Transportation Security Administration's rules: She put her gun in a locked TSA-approved case with its bullets separate. She informed the airline that she had a gun. The airline had no problem with that.
In New York City, she kept the gun locked in her hotel room. She never needed it, but her daughter told me, "I was glad she brought it just in case something did happen."
When leaving the city, Jordan followed the TSA's rules again. At the airline counter, she again told the agent she wanted to check her gun. But this time, she was told: "Wait."
"Next thing I know, they're getting ready to arrest me," she said.
Her daughter was crying, "Please don't arrest my mom!" But New York City cops arrested her, jailed her and told her she was guilty of a felony that mandates a minimum 3 1/2 years in jail.
Jordan's ordeal is not unique. Roughly once a week, New York City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed by other states.
Another Georgia visitor, Avi Wolf, was jailed although he didn't even have a gun. He just had part of a gun -- an empty magazine -- a little plastic box with a small metal spring. He brought it to the city because it wasn't working well and he thought a New York friend might repair it. He couldn't believe he was being arrested.
"Somebody could've done more damage to an individual with a fork from McDonald's," Wolf told me.
Wolf, too, checked with the TSA beforehand. They said, just declare it to TSA agents. So he did.
"I'm telling them ... I have a magazine here. It's empty, no bullets ... Next thing I know they're pulling me over to the side, they're like, 'Do you know what you have in your bag?!' 'I know what I have in my bag, I told you what I have in my bag.'"
Following TSA instructions didn't do Wolf any good. "Fast forward about an hour and it was four Port Authority police there. The chief of LaGuardia airport is there, [as if] they thought they found somebody trying to do 9/11 repeat," he says.
"They asked me if I had a gun license. Of course I had a license. I'm from Georgia, and everybody there's got a gun license. And they're like, well, sir, you're going to be getting arrested now."
Wolf and Jordan spent less than a day in jail, but each had to pay lawyers $15,000 to bargain the felony charge down to "public disorder."
"We are not going to apologize for enforcing our gun laws," said Assistant District Attorney Jack Ryan when I confronted him about these pointless and cruel arrests. He said New York City enforces laws as "humanely and as compassionately as we can."
But the system is neither fair nor humane.
Patricia Jordan kept her bullets separate from her gun, as TSA regulations require.
"The officer could not even find my bullets in my suitcase. I had to show him where they were," she told me.
That didn't matter, said the DA, because the gun and bullets were in the same suitcase.
"Under New York law, if they're together, they're loaded," says Ryan.
"They're loaded even if they're not loaded?!" I asked. Yes, he said.
I called him a sadistic bully (the full video is at JohnStossel.com). He replied that New York City must make sure people are "not threats."
New York claims this keeps us safe. But people like Jordan and Wolf actually make us safer. Texas data shows licensed gun owners are seven times less likely to murder someone than a nonlicensed person. They also prevent some crimes. Nationwide, crime has dropped as the percentage of people with concealed handgun permits has risen.
Licensed gun owners aren't the problem. Crazy laws and callous prosecution are.
Meanwhile street gangs laugh.
Don’t have anything, anything that remotely looks like a weapon either on you or in your carry on. Nothing. Not even a picture of a gun. Some kids’ plastic 10” sword from Dizzyland - forget it, not allowed.
Just stay the hell out of New York...if you can. I’ve never been there and never will.
Oh and also, don’t go to NYC, Joisey, IL, or any of those other gun crazed law states if you absolutely don’t have to.
This was not carry-on
I do not go to NY. I do not do any business with any company in NY. I encourage all my friends and business acquaintances to do the same.
n. Irrational, morbid fear of guns (coined by Col. Jeff Cooper, from the Greek “hoplites,” weapon).
May cause sweating, faintness, discomfort, rapid pulse, nausea, sleeplessness, more, at mere thought of guns. Hoplophobes are common and should never be involved in setting gun policies.
Point out hoplophobic behavior when noticed, it is dangerous, sufferers deserve pity, and should seek treatment. When confronted, hoplophobes typically go into denial, a common characteristic of the affliction.
Often helped by training, or by coaching at a range, a process known to psychiatry as “desensitization,” often useful in treating many phobias. Also: Hoplophobe, hoplophobic.
“The person had hoplophobia and passed out at the mere sight of a gun.”
#anti-gun #anti-firearm #gun#weapon #fear #haplaphobia #hoplaphobia
Agreed. You never carry a gun out of state until you research the local and state laws where you are going with regard to gun permit reciprocity.
14th Amendment, Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States [emphasis added]; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
One problem with state gun regulation overreach is this. We have a corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress left over from the lawless Obama Administration that is still refusing to do its job to make laws to protect citizens from state abridgment of constitutionally enumerated protections.
swamp sewer! Drain the sewer!
Remember in November 2018 !
Since corrupt Congress is the biggest part of the sewer (imo) that Trump wants to drain, it is actually up to patriots to drain the sewer in the 2018 elections, patriots supporting Trump by electing as many new members of Congress as they can who will support Trump.
In the meanwhile, patriots need to make sure that there are plenty of Trump-supporting candidates on the primary ballots.
Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitutions Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal governments powers.
Patriots also need to make sure that candidates are knowledgeable of the Supreme Court's clarifications of the federal governments limited powers listed here.
Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States. Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
"State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added]." Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added]. United States v. Butler, 1936.
Also, unlike incumbent members of Congress who wrongly remained silent while misguided state officials abridged the constitutionally enumerated rights of citizens during the lawless Obama Administration, patriots need to make sure that candidates on the 2018 primary ballots commit to the following.
Candidates need to commit to making and enforcing 14th Amendment-related laws to prosecute misguided state officials who use state powers to abridge constitutionally enumerated protections, 1st Amendment-protected religious expression and free speech for example, such actions prohibited by Section 1 of the 14th Amendment shown above.
Again, drain the sewer! Drain the sewer!
A serious mental illness manifested primarily in Democrats and other liberals.
The only cure is a mugging or other potentially deadly assault on the person suffering from the condition. This sometimes cures the illness.
Assistant District Attorney Jack Ryan is a POS. This is simply a scam to fill lawyer’s pockets.
There is this: Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. But I guess it's not relevant. Maybe it only applies to homosexual "marriages"?
From the article, it would appear that she DID do the research and did what was required and still ran afoul of their burdensome “requirements”.
What part of “shall not be infringed” is complicated for you?
Unfortunate, but when you travel with weapons it is incumbent on you to know the law. Information on New York is readily available, a gun owner should never put themselves in this situation.
One reason that I will always prefer to travel to and do business with free states.
Even if you only happen to be in New York because your plane was diverted there from your intended destination, you’ll find that all that checking of the rules and obedience to airline regulations won’t help you. Flying with a firearm - I’ve done it - really isn’t all that difficult unless you happen to get caught in one of these nasty little traps.
Sadly, “Know before you go!” applies in a lot of cases despite what the 2nd amendment says.
You will love this story.
Years ago my B-I-L and I were flying to Vegas from Orange County John Wayne Airport.
He had some Cigars in his Carryon, and a Cigar Punch made from “shudder”, a 45 Cartridge. You pulled it apart and the round cutter was on the ass end of the Bullet. It cost about $20 when I bought it for him as a Birthday Gift.
It was a “stop the presses” TSA Moment. They carefully examined the Punch. They took it apart, put it back together, asked us what it was for (I guess TSA Agents don’t smoke Cigars), took it aside to examine it more thoroughly and then the THREE Agents decided that my B-I-L could not take it on the Aircraft.
At that point my B-I-L voluntarily surrendered the obvious Terrorist implement of death and destruction.
$20 down the shitter, but the Aircraft arrived safe and sound in Sin City thanks to the valiant efforts of TSA.
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