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U.S. investigators seek to turn Manafort in Russia probe: sources
Reuters ^ | 07/22/2017 | Julia Edwards Ainsley and John Walcott

Posted on 07/22/2017 8:01:24 AM PDT by Rusty0604

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To: Hostage
Yeah, it’s called taking out mortgages for the tax writeoffs.

Right. It's also a way to take cash out of a property and transfer the risk of a real estate collapse to a mortgage lender. Anyone who has even a basic understanding of commercial real estate investing is shaking their heads and laughing a the idiocy of this Reuters story line.

41 posted on 07/22/2017 8:56:52 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

No. I think there are plenty of threads to Investigate. I am not privy to Investigatory materials so I have no way to judge if someone committed a chargeable offense. Certainly the jody kriss racketeering lawsuit is opening up info.

For example..just step back and look at manafort strange dealings. There is absolutely a reason to Investigate. Doesnt mean they will find a chargeable offense.

Money laundering investigations can take years


42 posted on 07/22/2017 8:59:32 AM PDT by RummyChick (can we switch Don,Jr for Prince Kush and his flak jacket. From Yacht Party to Warzone ready to wear.)
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To: Rusty0604

The liberal inquisition continues if you have no facts just make some up media winks.


43 posted on 07/22/2017 9:00:19 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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To: navysealdad
Based on the timeline presented here, there's also a good chance that statute of limitations would have expired for any criminal prosecution of Manafort anyway.

He could practically sit there in a grand jury and tell them: "Yeah -- I embezzled $5 million from a bank in 2006 to pay for the first property I purchased." ... and there would be nothing a Federal prosecutor could do about it.

44 posted on 07/22/2017 9:03:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: butlerweave
They're only getting what someone with knowledge of the matter (or not) tells them.

Based on what we've seen from the media over the last six months, I'd say there's no better than a 50% chance that what you're reading is accurate anyway. And this isn't because the media is deliberately lying, either ... it's because whoever is providing the information to the media -- and it may very well be Trump people doing this -- is deliberately lying to them.

45 posted on 07/22/2017 9:06:09 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: usconservative
-- If Manafort doesn't have a good explanation as to where the money came from or can point to a source of revenue that enabled him to pay cash for the property I'm guessing Mueller will look to nail his ass to the wall. --

Mueller is WAY OUT OF LINE if he is looking for crimes not associated with the Trump campaign, which didn't even exist before 2015.

DOJ Order 3915-2017 has a clear scope, and it does not include money laundering that predates the Trump campaign.

(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. 600.4(a).

Operating outside of this authorization would be grounds for removal, or at least grounds to REJECT any recommendation for prosecution outside of the authorized scope.

Mueller and Rosenstein should be called on to make a public statement regarding reports that Mueller is investigating crimes that happened before the campaign came into existence. Rosenstein is responsible, himself, for the jurisdiction that Mueller takes. Yes, he can defer, but the ultimate decision for limiting the jurisdiction is Rosenstein's, and he exercised that power in DOJ Order 3915-2017.

46 posted on 07/22/2017 9:07:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: armourenthusiast
"I thought Mueller was highly ethical? Why the flood of leaks all of a sudden? U.S. intelligence leaking dirt on Sessions also."

If I recall, one of Rosenstein's rationales for setting up the special counsel was to restore order to an investigation that had come to be characterized by leaks and other violations of protocol and chain-of-command.

If anything, it has gotten worse under Mueller, and this should be no surprise considering he has filled his team with Democratic operatives. If there is any way to fire Mueller, or to have HIM investigated, it should be done ASAP.
47 posted on 07/22/2017 9:08:22 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: RummyChick
"Lawyers for manafort and Jr have secured private meetings next week..not public hearings."

I think that's a mistake. If the meetings are private, the press and the deep state can make up anything they want; if they are public, we will KNOW what was said.
48 posted on 07/22/2017 9:10:22 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: RummyChick

With the team Mueller has assembled it is dangerous. Like “Legal Insurrection” article, “ They found the man, now they will find the crime”.


49 posted on 07/22/2017 9:11:51 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Steve_Seattle
-- If the meetings are private, the press and the deep state can make up anything they want; if they are public, we will KNOW what was said. --

Manafort and DJT, Jr. are free to disclose 100% of the contents of those hearings afterwards.

50 posted on 07/22/2017 9:11:53 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Don’t be silly - he’s a Democrat!


51 posted on 07/22/2017 9:13:06 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Rusty0604

They should all plead the 5th until this is over..unless they cut a deal.


52 posted on 07/22/2017 9:14:38 AM PDT by RummyChick (can we switch Don,Jr for Prince Kush and his flak jacket. From Yacht Party to Warzone ready to wear.)
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To: Rusty0604

If you dig into anyone’s finances at that level, you may find some things you could re-frame as criminal if you wanted to.

If you limit your investigations to people you want to get, and refuse to investigate people on your side, you accomplish two things. You punish or frighten your enemies into submission, and you make your friends entirely dependent upon your good graces.

I have a feeling there are few people at the top levels of government who aren’t already bribed and blackmailed into conformity. The ones who aren’t, who become a threat, you’re on the list. They’ll be getting to you presently.


53 posted on 07/22/2017 9:15:01 AM PDT by marron
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To: butlerweave
How does the MSM know every move of Mueller and his Clinton Team ?

Good question. I would also ask two additional questions:

1. Does the MSM actually know what Mueller and his team are doing or is this disinformation?

2. If this information is accurate, what would motivate a person to violate their ethical and legal responsibility to keep it confidential?

54 posted on 07/22/2017 9:17:13 AM PDT by etcb
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To: Steve_Seattle
If there is any way to fire Mueller, or to have HIM investigated, it should be done ASAP.

Trump needs to understand what he is facing. This is war to the finish. He needs to launch his own investigation of Mueller and company and prepare to have him removed in the most humiliating way possible. This is a slow-motion coup d'état, and he has to understand it in those terms.

55 posted on 07/22/2017 9:18:03 AM PDT by marron
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To: Rusty0604

Day dreamers


56 posted on 07/22/2017 9:18:45 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Rusty0604

I once took out a mortgage on some property that I originally paid cash for. I also voted for Trump. Does this mean that Mueller will be after me?


57 posted on 07/22/2017 9:18:59 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones.)
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To: Cboldt

That’s what I think. Investigation into Trump’s personal finances, or anybody’s that was connected to him, that has nothing to do with the campaign time period or Russia is outside the scope.


58 posted on 07/22/2017 9:19:56 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Cboldt

Financial dealing are within the scope as is anything he finds while Investigating.

Trump can point out conflicts..but if he fires mueller it will blow up in his face at this point. As I believe Jim N. said early on..he needed to do the firing right away.

Trump clearly doesnt want his taxes or business dealings Investigated. Doesnt mean he did anything wrong in them..might just fear leaks..and rightly so.


59 posted on 07/22/2017 9:25:40 AM PDT by RummyChick (can we switch Don,Jr for Prince Kush and his flak jacket. From Yacht Party to Warzone ready to wear.)
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To: armourenthusiast

What assurance do we have that Reuters verified that these two sources actually do have direct knowledge of the investigation?


60 posted on 07/22/2017 9:27:01 AM PDT by rwa265
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