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Breaking: US Destroyer Severely Damaged in Collision Near Japan- sailors reported missing
CNN ^ | 06-16-2017 | CNN

Posted on 06/16/2017 5:15:27 PM PDT by NRx

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: collision; destroyer; fitzgerald; maritime; navy; usnavy; ussfitzgerald
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To: yadent

Bump to post 101.


121 posted on 06/17/2017 7:33:38 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. Obama free since 1/20/17. PTL ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

” as FReepers rush to place all the blame on our Navy personnel”

That’s because some of us actually spent time at sea and know what we are talking about.

It was ABSOLUTELY and INDISPUTABLY the fault of the US crew. They were transiting in the most sophisticated warship to ever sail and got broadsided by a 39,000 ton container ship at low speed.

How stupid can you be to allow THAT to happen?


122 posted on 06/17/2017 7:41:37 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

I’m no expert, so you tell me. Is 19.3 knots low speed? And do container ships do their own thing, or is there a way for their crew to control them? Is it possible the container ship played some role in this, or do you really believe the destroyer rammed the container ship?


123 posted on 06/17/2017 7:56:50 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. Obama free since 1/20/17. PTL ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
as FReepers rush to place all the blame on our Navy personnel.

There are rules of navigation. These rules determine who does what in meeting situations. If a vessel is off your starboard side, you will see its port running light. That running light is red. That red light reminds you that you must "give way", or yield.

The other vessel will see your starboard running light, which is green. That green light says you are the "stand on" vessel. You are to maintain your course and allow the other vessel to complete a give way maneuver.

There are no exceptions or special circumstances that would have relieved the navy ship of its responsibility to give way. It is not "blaming", it is placing responsibility. Every man and woman in the Navy understands this.

124 posted on 06/17/2017 8:03:49 AM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Semper911

I understand that. What I don’t get, is how the destroyer rammed the cargo ship, and how there was nothing the cargo ship could have done to avoid being hit by the destroyer. And I don’t get how the cargo ship’s speed of 19.3 knots was slower than the destroyer’s speed of 0 knots. Or how the destroyer rammed the bow of the cargo ship with its own starboard side.

Yes, I get it that the crew of the destroyer bears some responsibility. I don’t get how FReepers can overlook the facts in their rush to declare our navy a bunch of incompetent boobs.


125 posted on 06/17/2017 8:24:24 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. Obama free since 1/20/17. PTL ~ Þ)
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To: NRx
Really wants to make one want to "join" todays armed service.

As a former serviceman who served before all of the PC madness took place within the armed services... no thanks.

126 posted on 06/17/2017 8:53:45 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord God Almighty, deliver us from this evil in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, amen.)
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To: BykrBayb
What I don’t get, is how the destroyer rammed the cargo ship, and how there was nothing the cargo ship could have done to avoid being hit by the destroyer. And I don’t get how the cargo ship’s speed of 19.3 knots was slower than the destroyer’s speed of 0 knots. Or how the destroyer rammed the bow of the cargo ship with its own starboard side.

I am really not sure what you're talking about here. I'll wait for the accident report for the actual details. It happened less than 24 hours ago.

Most of what you said is preposterous, and likely a misunderstanding of the early reports.

127 posted on 06/17/2017 9:32:45 AM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Bigg Red; Ethrane; Oldexpat
On a destroyer such as the Fitzgerald, Officer of the Deck (Underway) is generally a LTJG or a LT. (O-2 and O-3).

If it was a LT then they were either the Operations or Weapons Department heads. Generally the Chief Engineer doesn't stand deck watches although he would be qualified to.

The LTJGs would likely have stood 150-200 watches on the bridge as Junior Officer of the Deck (JOOD), as hands on training to become OOD.

I will note again that it is over 35 years since I last had the deck and I am doing this from memory.

One thing is bothering me here. Why weren't those in CIC screaming at the bridge about an impending collision? I was CIC Officer as a JG. There is one item drilled into EVERYONE who used the surface search radar, CBDR (Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range). If a radar contact is CBDR then there will be a collision unless someone reduces speed and/or changes course.

The Nautical Rules determine which ship is privileged and which ship is burdened. The privileged ship is required to maintain course and speed while the burdened ship must maneuver. This is important as you can't have both ships maneuvering and changing speed. However, if two ships get close enough that a collision is imminent then both ships are 'in extremis' and required to act to avoid a collision.

In this case the Fitzgerald was the burdened ship.

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128 posted on 06/17/2017 9:33:52 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: yadent; Neidermeyer
In reduced visibility (rain or fog) a ship is required to reduce speed to whatever speed where they can stop the ship in HALF the visible distance. If this means coming to a complete stop then you stop.

"Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

129 posted on 06/17/2017 9:38:17 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Semper911
First mention of the missing sailors.

......"Oh hear us when we call to Thee for those in peril on the sea".

130 posted on 06/17/2017 9:42:41 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Semper911; BykrBayb
Roger that.

BykrBayb, see my post 54 for a graphic that might help you under stand the situation.

"Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

131 posted on 06/17/2017 9:46:43 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: LonePalm

Your posts have been clear, and in line with the facts as we know them for now.


132 posted on 06/17/2017 10:05:07 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. Obama free since 1/20/17. PTL ~ Þ)
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To: CopperTop

” I used to flounder gig around Southport, NC.”

I’m curious, did you ever cross over and gig around Fort Fisher? There’s an area of flats inside the jetty that look like they’d be really good gigging.


133 posted on 06/17/2017 10:22:36 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Hack-proof tagline.)
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To: TurkeyLurkey; Oldexpat; BykrBayb; jimrob

I’ve always thought FR should have a policy, where when you post a story, you post two comments with it. Comment one says, “Please post comments and chat in response to this first comment.”

The second comment would say, “Please only post updates, expert information, and facts relevant to this story in response to this second comment.”

Then when a story broke, if you want the traditional model, just load the whole thread. If you want humorous comments, click view replies to comment one. If you want updates and experts giving info, you could just click on “view replies” to comment two, and get just the steady stream of pure updates and facts distilled right out.


134 posted on 06/17/2017 10:23:42 AM PDT by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: Rebelbase
Nahhh. Mostly around the "spoil area" between the CG Station and Southport Marina. Over behind Battery Island, too.
Anywhere the Cape Fear had less influence would be better for water clarity. But a hike from SPT proper. Up Snow's Cut was pretty water. d:^)
135 posted on 06/17/2017 10:34:43 AM PDT by CopperTop (Outside the wire it's just us chickens. Dig?)
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To: BykrBayb; yadent; Neidermeyer; Bigg Red; Ethrane; Oldexpat; All
Things got more complicated with the release of the track followed by the ACX Crystal.

Now I am not so sure the Fitzgerald was at fault.

In any event I am thankful that it was a relatively low speed collision as the Law of Gross Tonnages always applies in a collision at sea.

For those not familiar, the Law of Gross Tonnages says that the ship with the greater gross tonnage wins.

"Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

136 posted on 06/17/2017 10:41:31 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: NRx

Update:

U.S. and Japan launch air-and-sea search for 7 missing U.S. sailors

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/japans-coast-guard-leads-effort-to-find-7-missing-us-sailors/2017/06/17/ef307678-5355-11e7-b064-828ba60fbb98_story.html?utm_term=.c88f54dc58f2


137 posted on 06/17/2017 11:05:43 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Mariner

Is there any word on the missing today?


138 posted on 06/17/2017 11:06:40 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: NRx

I seriously doubt this was an “accident”...


139 posted on 06/17/2017 11:08:22 AM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: BykrBayb; MinuteGal; jimrob

Thank you for your observation about some posters who
can’t resist showing off - not much of worth.
Decades ago, FR was my go-to! I could read FR more often now, but weigh available time, these times are different. There is a lot more completion for eyeballs, since FR began.
I’ll continue to wade through pages of posts to find real sharing of thoughtful opinion, knowledge or news. Somedays
it feels like searching for that pony in a pile of ??
I don’t have a solution to the pollution problem, without
stepping on ‘free-speech’ on FR. A pity.


140 posted on 06/17/2017 11:11:23 AM PDT by seenenuf (I miss my country.)
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