Are We Nearing Civil War?

Townhall.com ^ | June 13, 2017 | Pat Buchanan

[traderrob6]

Yes, but the “Kleptocrats” are by and large leftist/progressives....not all by any means but a significant percentage.

And the Kleptocrat Generals will find that an army of gutless wonders is no army.

[FreeReign]

Pat Buchanan... the guy who picked a communist to run as his VP.

Do you have a comment about the specifics of what Pat said in the article or are you going to ignore that?

[sport]

In reality, we are not in a war. A war consists of two sides fighting each other. Only only side is fighting in this on and it is not us. I would hope we would fight because they have made it plain what they intend to do to us. I wish we would fight back but the future looks dim.

[Ancesthntr]

“And bring rope”

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Bring precious metals: brass, lead and tubular steel.

[kosciusko51]

This has been brewing for a while. From 2000, Walter E. Williams: It's Time To Part Company.

[jjsheridan5]

Whenever you have a war, or a civil war, there are usually significant minorities who find themselves on the "wrong" side. Even in rural or the outer suburbs, there are a good quarter who side with the parasitic class. And even in cities like SF, there are sizable chunks of normal people. But civil wars are not like pickup games of basketball, where everybody chooses a side.

In addition, any real hostilities have events that galvanize action at the governmental level. For example, if the parasitic class succeeds in impeaching Trump, state governments (not the people of that state) will be the ones responding by doing things like not recognizing the newly formed government. Once again: state lines matter.

Will there be people who find themselves on the wrong side? Of course. But it won't negate the fact that California, for example, would recognize Trump's impeachment, but your state wouldn't.

Fortunately, this is likely to be academic, since they are not likely to generate enough political cover for many Republicans in congress to go along with the impeachment that, in all likelihood, they would support, if they could.

[DesertRhino]

Pat didn’t pick a communist. And the only threats to Latvia Poland and Estonia have been in the Nina of neocons.

[redgolum]

Because the fedgov will not “fall”. They will fight to hold on.

Blue vs Red.

I don’t want that. Pray it doesn’t happen. It will be like the Finnish Civil War.

[mac_truck]

So far lots of role playing incidents, but nothing that comes close to civil war.

If the left wants to have its nose bloodied, there are plenty of folks happy to oblige.

[TADSLOS]

Ping.

[DesertRhino]

No, crazy talk is thinking you’ll be joining the 26th Virginia or something.

[jjsheridan5]

I would submit that their supporters are almost invariably leftist. But that their leaders, and their most influential supporters, aren't -- or, at least, they are not guided by ideology, but rather self-interest. I know this sounds strange, but I really don't think Hillary Clinton is really leftist, at least, not in the way that the clowns in Berkeley are. I think her primary concern is the cash flow going into the Clinton Foundation, and her leftist rhetoric is, and always has been, primarily a means to an end. She may be leftist in thought, and speech, but her actions will always be dictated by self-interest.

As far as an "army" -- yes, you are correct. Their supporters barely even qualify as cannon fodder. But look at what happened to the Berkeley police department. Even in these early skirmishes, they are clearly siding with the parasitic class. Urban police departments, and other similar groups, are going to find themselves increasingly under orders to pick a side, and it won't be the side that they, by and large, sympathize with.

As I said, this is all hypothetical, and fortunately unlikely, because significant escalation is unlikely unless one of two things happen, both of which are low-probability events: a real economic collapse, or a successful impeachment of Trump.

[fr_freak]

Lib can have the northern tier and other Pacific states.

Says you. I have a different opinion.

[DungeonMaster]

Is there anyway to make this incident more public? WHO might carry the story?

Two issues. The first is that my daughter in law used to work for the media and wants nothing to do with them. The other is advertising to more thugs that you were targeted once. This is why I didn't put a Trump sign out. I don't need the vandalism.

[msrngtp2002]

In another post some time ago it was pointed out that the middle of the country controls the food and the distribution of same. Similarly the middle controls the flow of fuel and a good percentage of the production of energy.

So the elites decide they want to overthrow the elected President - as soon as that happens food, fuel and energy stop flowing.

The folks on the coasts will quickly melt from the heat if it is summer, freeze from the cold, not know how to get around without cars, buses and trains, and they will very rapidly descend into anarchy with the fittest and best equipped taking the food - the rest will starve to death.

No gunfire needs to happen. The military will be useless because 90% of them won’t engage their own citizens. National guard will walk away from their posts if ordered to engage their neighbors.

So the largest sufferers will be those who didn’t learn how to hunt and fish and build a fire to cook on. And the middle of the country has probably 95% of the non-military guns.

It will take years to rebuild but perhaps worth the effort.

[Roccus]

Whenever you have a war, or a civil war, there are usually significant minorities who find themselves on the "wrong" side. Even in rural or the outer suburbs, there are a good quarter who side with the parasitic class. And even in cities like SF, there are sizable chunks of normal people. But civil wars are not like pickup games of basketball, where everybody chooses a side.

This is EXACTLY why I used Sarajevo as an example of what a CWII would look like here. People WILL chose sides if/when the situation becomes untennable for them.

For example, if the parasitic class succeeds in impeaching Trump, state governments (not the people of that state) will be the ones responding by doing things like not recognizing the newly formed government. Once again: state lines matter.

You are assuming that the people of that state will go along with what that state government wants. I do not think that will happen.

[JonPreston]

DJT should let Ryan and McConnell handle the GOPe agenda of lowering taxes and fixing Obamacare while he kicks over the tables in the temple. Draining the swamp is by far and away the most critical thing he can do for our nation.

[RebelTXRose]

Trump would acknowledge us if we showed up. AND make known how MANY of us there are present - unlike Sep2009!

[Roccus]

[jjsheridan5]

Don’t forget that that the largest farms are actually owned by non-farmers. For example, IIRC, the largest privately owned farm in the world is owned by, and controlled by, a few offices in a building in New Jersey. The idea that middle America controls food production isn’t as true as it once was. It would be a very murky situation.