Skip to comments.Wisconsin lawmakers debate permitless carry of concealed guns
Posted on 06/01/2017 5:36:47 AM PDT by rellimpank
MADISON - People in Wisconsin would be able to carry concealed firearms without getting training or state permits, under a proposal debated by lawmakers Wednesday.
The broad legislation would also allow some people to bring guns onto school grounds and lower the penalties on unauthorized people who are caught doing so.
The bill by Sen. David Craig (R-Town of Vernon) and Rep. Mary Felzkowski (R-Irma) goes beyond the states 2011 law, which allows concealed weapons but reserves them for trained and licensed residents. Instead, Senate Bill 169 would make Wisconsin a constitutional carry state where qualifying people could pack firearms without having to register with the state or pay government fees.
In a hearing Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary and Public Safety Committee, a Democratic supporter of the 2011 law said that by eliminating training requirements this latest measure crossed "one of those lines in the sand."
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—”Republicans say that since 2011, there have been few problems and some successes from the more than 500,000 concealed carry permits issued. Documenting that statistically is challenging because, unlike hunting licenses, the concealed carry law specifically exempts most state records involving concealed carry permits from the state’s open records law.
Currently, 12 states allow concealed carry without permits. “
__pretty good success rate—
Seems to have worked in the other 12 states.
Hope they opt in to this. Mississippi came a little closer when they changed the law to allow concealed weapons in purses/fanny packs, and other “non-holster” containers that one might carry, w/o a permit.
Here is an article on Mississippi becoming Constitutional Carry:
Here is the article I wrote on the Wisconsin bill. A lot more details about the bill:
Proposal to allow concealed guns without permit in NC advances
They do have a radical leftist governor, but they have overridden his vetoes before.
My God, next thing they'll let anyone start publishing a newspaper or running a TV station without a background check and fingerprinting!
—or even worse , “reporting “ on current events, “news” etc., without authorization-—
My wife and I had to renew our MS carry permits earlier this year. The article does not mirror the law(s) Governor Bryant signed.
What are the differences?
Still need a carry permit when holstered and concealed. I have the “enhanced” permit which allows carry in schools/churches and a few other places that are normally restricted. If we were fully constitutional carry, the permits would no longer be required - I may be mistaken as my mind says maybe the permits are to foster carry in States that honor Mississippi permits, but we received “it’s time to renew” notices well after the dates in the article which seems to indicate that any sort of concealed carry requires no permits..
(24) * * * A license * * * under this section is not required for a loaded or unloaded pistol or revolver to be carried upon the person in a sheath, belt holster or shoulder holster or in a purse, handbag, satchel, other similar bag or briefcase or fully enclosed case if the person is not engaged in criminal activity other than a misdemeanor traffic offense, is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a pistol or revolver under state or federal law, and is not in a location prohibited under subsection (13) of this section.
I may be mistaken as my mind says maybe the permits are to foster carry in States that honor Mississippi permits, but we received its time to renew notices well after the dates in the article which seems to indicate that any sort of concealed carry requires no permits.. ----------------------------------------------------------
In all the states that have become Constitutional Carry since 1924, the state has retained their structure for obtaining carry permits. Mississipi still issues carry permits while not requiring a permit for concealed carry. It is not surprising that you would receive a notice to renew.
Permits are useful, even with Constitutional Carry, for reciprocity and other purposes.
Typically, the number of permits after Constitutional Carry is passed may decrease slightly, then continues to increase.
b) In order to be eligible for the immunity provided in this section: (i) The program at a minimum must require that each participant of the program possesses a firearms permit issued under Section 45-9-101 and has completed an instructional course in the safe handling and use of firearms as described in Section 97-37-7. The program may also include one or more persons with law enforcement or military background who may assist the church or place of worship in training of the members of the program;
SECTION 2. Section 45-9-101, Mississippi Code of 1972, is amended as follows: 45-9-101. (1) (a) Except as otherwise provided, the Department of Public Safety is authorized to issue licenses to carry stun guns, concealed pistols or revolvers to persons qualified as provided in this section. Such licenses shall be valid throughout the state for a period of five (5) years from the date of issuance. Any person possessing a valid license issued pursuant to this section may carry a stun gun, concealed pistol or concealed revolver. (b) The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is carrying a stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer. A violation of the provisions of this paragraph (b) shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of Twenty-five Dollars ($25.00) and shall be enforceable by summons.
I think the wording under the Church Protection Act portion are being misconstrued as general law.
Once again, I may be misinterpreting.
I believe you are correct that a license is needed to qualify for the Church protection program in Mississippi.
All of the Constitutional Carry states have similar, minor restrictions on where people can carry. Arizona, for example, does not allow open or concealed carry in places that serve alcohol, generally. But if you have a permit you can carry concealed in a bar.
Constitutional Carry means most people can carry weapons, openly and concealed, in most places without a permit.
There have always been exceptions. Even in Revolutionary times, prisoners were not allowed to legally carry weapons in jail.
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