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American Healthcare: The Vexing Question of ‘Preexisting Conditions’
National Review ^ | 05/11/2017 | by MICHAEL TANNER

Posted on 05/11/2017 6:54:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 115th; aca; ahca; healthcare; obamacare2; repealandreplace
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1 posted on 05/11/2017 6:54:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What is vexing about it?

People with pre existing conditions are not wanting to buy insurance where they gamble that if something bad might happen to them they’ll “win” their bet and not have to pay as much for their needs or wants.

No, people with pre existing conditions are basically demanding a gift from other folks. They want to pretend that their “contributions” which do not cover the expenses being paid out on their behalf are them actually doing the same as if they had entered into a contract with an insurer BEFORE they got sick.

It’s like demanding a bookie take your bet for the winner of the race after the fact because you have some excuse for why you didn’t place the bet before the race started.


2 posted on 05/11/2017 7:03:05 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank God nobody is talking about just enforcing Existing LAW!!!, to bring down Medical Costs.

The Sherman Act outlaws “every contract, combination, or conspiracy in restraint of trade,” and any “monopolization, attempted monopolization, or conspiracy or combination to monopolize.” Long ago, the Supreme Court decided that the Sherman Act does not prohibit every restraint of trade, only those that are unreasonable. For instance, in some sense, an agreement between two individuals to form a partnership restrains trade, but may not do so unreasonably, and thus may be lawful under the antitrust laws. On the other hand, certain acts are considered so harmful to competition that they are almost always illegal. These include plain arrangements among competing individuals or businesses to fix prices, divide markets, or rig bids. These acts are “per se” violations of the Sherman Act; in other words, no defense or justification is allowed.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/antitrust-laws


3 posted on 05/11/2017 7:08:38 AM PDT by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: SeekAndFind
This should be a no brain-er. Republicans promised to repeal, they even passed repeal bills (knowing they'd get vetoed). Do what you promised, do what got you the House, the Senate and the Presidency back , REPEAL! A time delay of a few months to let markets re-adjust is the only compromise needed.
4 posted on 05/11/2017 7:09:55 AM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you have a pre existing condition, you are seeking a financial subsidy to deal with the coming expenses related to your ailment. That is not the nature of insurance. Asking a corporate entity to “insure” you is akin to requiring a bookie to take bets on yesterday’s games.Nobody in this country including illegal aliens is permitted to suffer without care. In the end it will be the taxpayers, ceding more of their wealth, to the government to ensure that all have “insurance”. The problem is that those needs and the definition of those ailments is forever expanding. The therapies and ailments themselves are often bogus but leave to the government bureaucrats to spend and spend and spend. After all people will complain and the politicians as always will comply.Just another brick in the road to perdition.


5 posted on 05/11/2017 7:10:43 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Rurudyne

So you’re an option one person?


6 posted on 05/11/2017 7:14:11 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: SeekAndFind

We’re ALL born with pre-existing conditions. What we die of may have nothing to do with our predispositions which may not occur until our 40s, 50s, 60s...


7 posted on 05/11/2017 7:15:21 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind

Government regulates healthcare professionals
Government regulates healthcare services
Government regulates hospitals
Government regulates healthcare insurance
Government provides healthcare
Government provides health care insurance
Government uses tax incentives to direct healthcare
Hmmm maybe there is a theme?

This issue is paying for healthcare. Insurance is one way. Direct pay is another. Charities are another. But all healthcare is paid healthcare there is no “free” healthcare. While we debate who should pay we could start by freeing the insurance companies and start deregulating the entire Big Government Medical Complexity.


8 posted on 05/11/2017 7:16:47 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety (.)
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To: eyeamok

Amen. But you’re eating your breath. People refuse to acknowledge the illegality of what the healthcare industry does.


9 posted on 05/11/2017 7:19:11 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: SeekAndFind

“the care they need”

The drug companies would say they NEED the 4000/month drugs, etc.

I think those with preexisting conditions could be given less expensive but good care than those that have paid their premiums all along.

Also, the elephant in the room continues to be the outrageous, skyrocketing cost of medical care.

The latest AARP bulletin has an article explaining why some drugs are so expensive. The answer: manufactures have a patent (no competition, therefore) and can charge whatever they find people and insurance companies are willing to pay.

Of course the more insurance companies pay out, the greater their profits, because they set the premiums at some percentage above what they pay out.

The insurance companies love expensive things.


10 posted on 05/11/2017 7:24:59 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: SeekAndFind

Pre-existing conditions have been ‘stretched’, for lack of other words, by the insurance industry, to NOT take you as a customer, because their number crunchers have figured out, that YOU will become a financial pay-out, and result in less profit, for THEM.


11 posted on 05/11/2017 7:25:07 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: SeekAndFind

It is about money.

Is it fair for someone to suddenly demand insurance, after they haven’t had insurance for years or ever, right after they find out that they have a serious disease that will cost a lot of money?

It is like driving a car without insurance and when you get in an accident, demanding insurance and then demanding that the insurance company pay.

However, it is reasonable if a person has had insurance coverage the whole time and THEN gets a major disease to be able to keep their insurance.


12 posted on 05/11/2017 7:25:46 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Wolfie

I read about 10 pages of our anti trust law before posting that link, it is a Detailed Description of our Current Medical System!! They are ALL GUILTY!


13 posted on 05/11/2017 7:29:33 AM PDT by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The answer that nobody wants to face is that we are headed for single payer.


14 posted on 05/11/2017 7:29:54 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: SeekAndFind

It appears the medicare coverage of those suffering from mental illness has been cut.


15 posted on 05/11/2017 7:33:19 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: eyeamok

I hear you. People won’t acknowledge it. The President could end this on his own, but he won’t.


16 posted on 05/11/2017 7:35:46 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: dhs12345

How about those who had insurance through their employer but got laid off? The college student with a congenital condition who is no longer covered by her parents’ or school insurance? Etc. There are lots of people who have pre-existing conditions who are without insurance due to no fault of their own, not just people like those you describe.


17 posted on 05/11/2017 7:36:49 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: SeekAndFind

Government healthcare = everyone gets hosed except those who don’t pay taxes.


18 posted on 05/11/2017 7:42:26 AM PDT by Beagle8U (United for flying 1,000 miles for a camel (toe).)
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To: All

With all the ink spilt and electrons moved on preexisting conditions coverage, I have seen zero estimates of how much including it adds to the insurance premiums of others. Zero.

With a gubermint honey pot begging to be dipped into, why would anyone buy their own health insurance? Just wait ‘til something happens and either save or spend the savings. Let somebody else pay for it (rich taxpayers)- it’s the American Way!


19 posted on 05/11/2017 7:43:55 AM PDT by FirstFlaBn
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To: Georgia Girl 2
No....we're headed for a new deduction right out of our paycheck...just like Medicare...a certain percent to take care of the uninsured. That's what they're effectively doing anyways.

Same result...workers pay!!

20 posted on 05/11/2017 7:45:54 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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