'Hero' stopped mass murder by crazed bar patron who was armed to the teeth, police say

dallasnews.com ^ | 5/4/2017 | Marc Ramirez Liz Farmer

[rktman]

A concealed carry holder is being heralded as a hero by Arlington police for preventing mass murder by killing an "incoherent" gunman at a sports bar Wednesday evening.

Before he was shot about 6:15 p.m., the gunman killed the manager of Zona Caliente in the 6500 block of South Cooper Street, police spokesman Christopher Cook said.

[rktman]

WHAT! A person with a what did what? A CCW you say? Probably fake news put out by the evil NRA who just want people to shoot each other. Right? Because nannie bloomers and the HAGs told us this never ever happens. And margabby keep telling us that citizens with guns are more of a threat than any bad guy would ever be. After all, it's just common sense. Right? Thank you sir for saving some lives.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

What, WHAT! A patron in a BAR with a gun shoots a bad guy in a bar with a gun? FELONY! FELONY! Last time I was there they even had a warning sign on the door!

[pa_dweller]

All those hoi polloi types carrying firearms? There'll be blood in the streets I tell 'ya!

Or, not.

[T-Bird45]

Other articles quote the APD as saying it was not a true, TX-style restricted-from-carry 51% bar. Likely closer to a Buffalo Wild Wings where lots of food is sold along with alcohol in various forms. Alcohol sales were under the 51% threshold and any “red sign” posting was in error.

[rktman]

I was wondering when the CCW holder was going to be called out for violating the law. ;-)

[rktman]

Hmmm. 30.06 or 30.07 posted? (I think those are the statutes required to be posted. I don’t live in TX so not sure.)

[jiggyboy]

Wait for it...: “This incident will serve only to feed the fantasies of gun owners that someday they too can be a so-called ‘hero’”.

[BilLies]

Headline:
Shooter acted strange before taking Arlington bar manager’s life.
https://arlingtonvoice.com/arlington/crime-emergency/2017/05/04/shooter-acted-strange-taking-arlington-bar-managers-life
A lot of that going around,...........sometimes.

[Charles Martel]

Wait for it...: “This incident will serve only to feed the fantasies of gun owners that someday they too can be a so-called ‘hero’”.

Yeah, probably so - and not a single mention of the Luby's Cafeteria shooting to balance out the discussion.

[Right Wing Assault]

Shh! Don't tell anyone he use a gun to kill this guy.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

Liberals should be happy about this. The dead perp did NOT have a Concealed Handgun License, and paid with his life. Er, well, that’s one way of looking at it. Whether he killed someone or not is irrelevant, but NOT having a government-issued license to carry, hey, he got what he deserved.

[DesertRhino]

Still cannot find a photo of the shooter. He’s dead, and the CCW man isn’t being prosecuted. There’s only one reason they are not saying anything about him.

Its a BLM nut, guaranteed.

[T-Bird45]

Yes, in TX, private facilities can post a specific sign with specific language(s) and of a specific size of lettering and sign to restrict concealed carry (30.06) and/or open carry (30.07). Facilities serving alcohol have an additional option that depends on the amount of revenue received for alcohol sales. If they are a true bar with alcohol sales over 51% of total sales, they post a red sign with the number 51 on it. If it’s more like a Chili’s with mostly food and some alcohol sales, they post a green sign with a slashed 51 on it.

I’ve read nothing in multiple sources that indicate the good guy was in violation of any law or sign. There was a mention of a red 51 sign that was improperly posted that received a remark from an APD investigator to that effect.

[DesertRhino]

They’ve scrubbed his social media. Cant find a photo of the bad guy anywhere. And nothing about a 48 year olds background.

This has BLM written all over it.

[bgill]

Gotta luv the woman who brought out her lawn chair to watch the commotion. Front row seat.

[Parley Baer]

“There’s only one reason they are not saying anything about him.
Its a BLM nut, guaranteed.”

That is what I have been wondering. He must be one of Obama’s sons or his picture would be plastered all over the news.

[Svartalfiar]

Yes, in TX, private facilities can post a specific sign with specific language(s) and of a specific size of lettering and sign to restrict concealed carry (30.06) and/or open carry (30.07). Facilities serving alcohol have an additional option that depends on the amount of revenue received for alcohol sales. If they are a true bar with alcohol sales over 51% of total sales, they post a red sign with the number 51 on it. If it’s more like a Chili’s with mostly food and some alcohol sales, they post a green sign with a slashed 51 on it.

Kinda. Alcohol facilities don't have other options, they have other requirements. If they derive 51% or more of their income from alcohol for on-site consumption, they HAVE to post the red 51% sign, as per Section 411.204, Government Code. And it MUST be prominently displayed at EVERY entrance.

I've never seen/heard of this green 51 sign? If they don't meet the 51% requirement, they are required to post the BLUE sign, which is just a notice that firearms aren't allowed unless you have a CHL under H,411. (Not sure how that legally works for out-of-state people who have licenses under a different authority, but that doesn't affect me so I've never looked into it.)

Then, if you go to this site, http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/publicinquiry/Status.aspx, you can enter the name/city and it'll tell you Zona's has the blue sign, which warns that unlicensed possession of a concealed weapon is a felony. So any 51% sign is one they posted that they aren't supposed to.

Here is TABC's list of different sign requirements.


On a side note, you might be able to get away with carry in a 51% bar, if they don't have the proper posting. All the legal stuff above only applies to what the business is responsible for. None of that makes it illegal for you to carry. But, per Penal 46.035 b-1, you can't carry in a 51% location. But, k gives a defense to prosecution if you were not given effective notice per 411.204. So, the only gray area I can find is bars that post 51% behind the bar. Would that count as "effective notice" when 411.204 requires the conspicuous posting at all entrances? Improper posting, to me, says the bar doesn't really know what they actually are, so who knows if the 51% sign is even the correct sign? If they can't post it in the right spot, is it the right sign?

[Svartalfiar]

rkt, If you read my post 17, I described a good bit of the required signage for bars.

30.06 and 30.07 are not required signs in any way, they are ONLY for locations that choose to ban carry. 30.06 is the required signage for banning concealed carry, and 30.07 is for banning open carry. And yes, to ban both, a business MUST post both signs. With exact wording/size/contrasting color. At every entrance.

[rktman]

Local stuff can get you in trouble pretty quick unless you know EVERY rule, reg and requirement. To me, that’s why I think the 2nd should take precedence over all this crap as intended.

[T-Bird45]

“I think the 2nd should take precedence over all this crap as intended.”

QFT!