Posted on 03/15/2017 2:08:56 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
I would have one of the old pot scrubber dishwashers designs that had a disposal in the bottom. Cleaned everything well and used enough water and fresh water with every cleaning.
I would have a washer that would have a filled tub of water and I could choose my wash and rinse temperatures.
I could have a diesel car that was fuel efficient and powerful.
Grew up at the Chicago-Indiana border. Steel mill country. As a kid thought snow was greyish and whippin dead fish at your siblings on a beach trip to Lake Michigan was normal entertainment.
There was a time when the EPA was needed. But April 22, 1970 is the day the progressives grab the environment and made it an emotional movement. (THE ICE AGE IS COMING!!!!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!)
They made it political, emotional and corrupt.
I agree with the article. I think along with the abuses, the EPA has done a lot of good.
We need to put checks and balances in to curb the abuses. Some things need to be returned to the states, but not all things.
And all that air was cleaned up with Catalyctic COnverters and Electronic Fuel Injection in the mid 80,s. We cleaned up Car Exhaust bu 95%, The problem is the EPA has Literally tried to Destroy this COuntry in their effort to achieve the last 5%, which is simply IMPOSSIBLE.
With everything they hove done since 1990, they shaved off another 1/2% of emissions.
It’s a straw man question and the biggest manipulators behind the question know it.
The question IS NOT “what would the U.S. look like without the EPA”.
The real question the “progressives” do not want to have, is “what would the U.S. look like” without SOME laws related to the EPA and without some EPA regulations and without the specific rulings under some EPA regulations.
The “progressives” myth concerning the EPA does not concern any good it is possible for the EPA to do, but instead concerns their pretense that there is nothing the EPA can do wrong. That question, massively more germane than the existence of the EPA is the partisan divide and the rational dialogue they want to avoid.
Much better.
“The EPA would be a great agency if they would scale back their areas of regulation to 1984 levels. For their first 10-15 years, they did great work that improved the quality of life in the USA considerably. Then, they had to expand their reach to stay relevant once the air and water was clean. By 2000 or so, they were desperate and grabbing at anything they could to keep the funding increasing.”
THIS, exactly. Everyone seems to be forgetting the dead Lake Erie and the river feeding it that caught on fire. The USSR had no EPA. that’s why there are areas of Russia that will be uninhabitable for hundreds to hundreds of thousands of years. Many believe that the low life expectancy in the USSR is caused first by drinking, then by pollution.
We are WAY into diminishing returns with the EPA as it presently exists.
Progressive bureaucracies exist for the purpose of demanding more power to themselves as the increasing “solution” to everything, playing on the public’s image of anything good the “regulators” once did, as rationale for doing anything else, and for not judging anything else the bureaucrats want control of.
They attempt, through their biggest supporters, to achieve public rallying around “past victories” as cause for their increased powers in an attempt to prevent debate over additional measures they seek. Though it is not a rational argument it gets a lot of support among the media’s well-indoctrinated masses.
I had to do a search on the river fires near Chicago - two big ones happened in 1969 (Coyohoga and Rouge River near Detroit). The article said the fires were pretty common.
In 1984 some guy fell in the Rouge River and with it’s raw sewage got some parasite and died. So I’m not sure how active the state’s were in getting stuff done. I think it was just within the past 10 years that one of the great lakes (Lake Michigan?) has developed back into a great sport fishing lake. And some of those rivers are probably still dead.
But - I agree that now that the states know they can have great benefits by having clean water and air, the EPA can be scaled back by a huge amount. I was going to say something about how they might have to deal with larger rivers that flow among numerous states - but ALL the water that hits a state ends up in some major river some day - so that of course is their reasoning for having control over the ditch that runs along the road at the end of our street. (Don’t tell them - the neighbor still filled it up with dirt!)
It just sounded strange...I thought “didn’t your parents tell you?” How old were you when you realized there were huge mountains beside the city? Did you ever watch the Rose Bowl Parade on TV and see them?
I get it...lower automobile emissions over the last 50 years have made the air cleaner in LA. (but I’m betting you knew all the time that those mountains were really there)/s
The feds also start forest fires for the purpose of preventing forest fires! What could go wrong?
Skies falling. Tidal waves of blood washing the streets. Darkness at noon. Grim shadows of death and despair hanging over every corner of the globe. Legions of climate hoaxers out of a job ...
Inventors of hyperbole taking on apprentices.
My gas cans are all user friendly. I take the cap off the gas can and pour into a wide funnel.
It does sound strange, but I’ve heard the same thing from others. When we were in high school we made fun of a friend who said the same thing. We were in Northern California and he said the whole year they lived in Burbank they never knew there were mountains just a few miles away.
But, it was totally true that in the 70’s, most days the mountains weren’t visible.
As far as the Rose Parade, it has always been amazing that inevitably New Year’s Day would be after a rain storm and one of the few days of the year where the sky was clear with gorgeous views of the mountains. We actually commented how people in the rest of the country who saw Pasadena one day a year would think it was so beautiful and there’s no smog.
That smog also would give you a tickle in the throat on real heavy days.
End Ordovician, 444 million years ago, 86% of species lost.
End Permian, 251 million years ago, 96% of species lost.
Late Devonian, 375 million years ago, 75% of species lost.
End Triassic, 200 million years ago, 80% of species lost.
End Cretaceous, 66 million years ago, 76% of all species lost.
>>The EPA did good things until they ran out of causes and had to create them from nothing.
Bingo! When they’re declaring a rain gully a navigable waterway under Federal regulatory jurisdiction, things have gone completely overboard. And there are many examples.
What we are seeing is massive overregulation for job justification.
What difference at this point does it really make?
Anonymous - Fukushima still leaking. Biggest threat to humanity and ...
“We would not be able to see the mountains in Los Angeles.”
California has the strictest environmental laws in the country and six of the ten top pollutes cities in the country.
Sort of like Chicago with the most stringent gun control laws and the top murder rate.
A CBS news story on creation of the EPA and they didn’t mention Nixon once.
Chlordane reappears making it once again possible to kill large areas of vegetation, insects, and microbes with just a teaspoon of it;
DDT reappears killing mosquitoes by the billions while saving the lives of millions of people worldwide;
Leaded Gasoline reappears making gasoline really cheap once again while giving engines longer life;
CFC and HCFC reappear retuning to truly efficient air conditioning and rocket insulation.
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