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Lose FOID card, keep your guns: Crystal Lake lawyer's story case in point (Illinois)
Chicago Tribune ^ | 6 few 2017 | Robert McCoppin and Tony Briscoe

Posted on 02/06/2017 5:45:40 AM PST by rellimpank

After allegedly finding a loaded weapon in the possession of a Crystal Lake attorney during a drunken-driving investigation, police said they made a bigger discovery when they searched the man's home: a cache of 56 handguns and rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Authorities apparently had not confiscated the weapons earlier from the lawyer, Donald F. Franz, despite the fact that his arrest in January marked the second time in about nine months that he has been accused of carrying a loaded gun in his car after his firearm owner's identification was revoked, court and police records show. He was arrested late last year and accused of telling an employee of a state agency investigating him, "I am going to kill you," according to court and agency records.

The allegations against Franz illustrate what critics say is a dangerous gap in Illinois weapons laws: Although Illinois State Police revoked more than 11,000 FOID cards last year, the largest number since at least 2010, those who lose their right to bear arms legally in the state rarely have their guns taken away unless they're later charged with a crime — and sometimes not even then.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; foid; illinois; rkba

1 posted on 02/06/2017 5:45:40 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

It would probably come as a surprise to the editors of the Chicago Tribune that much of the rest of America finds the whole concept of a FOID to be utterly offensive. It’s also ridiculous given the out of control violence in Chicago. As a famous TV self-help personality might ask: “How’s that working out for you?”


2 posted on 02/06/2017 5:50:43 AM PST by stranger and pilgrim
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To: stranger and pilgrim
--also from the article-

-McHenry County Right to Carry Association President Mickey Schuch has called for abolishing the FOID card, noting that Illinois is one of only about five states that require gun owners to be licensed. Cases of FOID owners committing gun crimes are rare, he said, compared to the many gun crimes committed by people who never had a FOID card. He opposed blanket proposals to have police seize the weapons of revoked FOID card holders, saying it violated the fundamental concept of innocent until proven guilty for those who have been charged but not convicted. He noted that judges can order weapons seized in criminal cases, depending on the circumstances. Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, said he sees no issue with current procedures. Pearson noted gun owners already can face misdemeanor charges if they don't comply with orders to surrender their FOID card and transfer their weapons. "Well, with these people, it's always a witch hunt for gun owners," Pearson said of gun critics. "They want the siren screaming and police ramming down your door."

3 posted on 02/06/2017 5:56:48 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

And how many of the 3 dead and 19 wounded Chicago shooting victims this past weekend was this lawyer responsible for?


4 posted on 02/06/2017 5:57:49 AM PST by Yo-Yo ( Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: rellimpank

How does the whole FOID system survive a 2A challenge?

It is a requirement to beg permission to exercise a right.


5 posted on 02/06/2017 6:03:55 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: rellimpank

What makes his guns a “cache”? Were they hidden? Does the word make it sound more evil? How many guns do you have to have before it’s a “cache”? Can three guns be a “cache”? There are a couple hundred guns at the Cabella’s, down the road. Is that a “cache”? Just wondering.

BTW ~ I have my grandfather’s FOID card around someplace. Makes me sad to think that fine man had to go to government with hat in hand to ask if he could please have a gun.


6 posted on 02/06/2017 6:29:52 AM PST by lrdg
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To: CurlyDave
How does the whole FOID system survive a 2A challenge?

The 2A does not apply in all states and is usually just a privilege handed out by those in power to the serfs.

7 posted on 02/06/2017 6:31:57 AM PST by umgud
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To: rellimpank

In a state where “government” and “organized crime” are synonyms, what could go wrong?


8 posted on 02/06/2017 6:40:47 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: rellimpank

Why would they have a right to search his house as part of a drunk driving investigation. Unless he was so drunk that he consented?

When dealing with cops, “Just Say No”.


9 posted on 02/06/2017 6:44:46 AM PST by PAR35
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To: umgud

The 2A was incorporated to all 50 states after the 2010 Suprem Court ruling in (ironically) McDonald v Chicago, which followed from Heller v DC a year prior that affirmed an individual RKBA guaranteed by the Constitution.


10 posted on 02/06/2017 6:46:23 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: umgud

“The 2A does not apply in all states”........

Does not the 2nd Amendment say something about “shall not be infringed”?


11 posted on 02/06/2017 6:49:18 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: rellimpank
Registration = Confiscation
12 posted on 02/06/2017 7:25:02 AM PST by Jack Black (Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
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To: DaveA37; monkeyshine

There are many places in the nation that don’t appear to have uninfringed 2A rights, regardless of SCOTUS rulings. The major problem rests with gov’t and SCOTUS for not defining “infringement.”


13 posted on 02/06/2017 7:25:45 AM PST by umgud
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To: PAR35
When dealing with cops, “Just Say No”.

No or nothing at all. The police are NOT your friends.

14 posted on 02/06/2017 7:29:29 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: rellimpank

What part of “shall not be infringed” do they not get?
FOID laws are an infringement of the right given by the second amendment.
“How is that working for you?” Good question.


15 posted on 02/06/2017 7:41:25 AM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: rellimpank

How many of the people doing the shooting in Chicago have an FOID?


16 posted on 02/06/2017 7:43:46 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: CurlyDave

We have library cards for books right?

Makes perfect sense to have a gun carx for guns, right?

It’s common sense afterall. And who could be against common sense?

</sarc>


17 posted on 02/06/2017 8:35:48 AM PST by Organic Panic (Rich White Man Evicts Poor Black Family From Public Housing - MSNBCPBSCNNNYTABC)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
How many of the people doing the shooting in Chicago have an FOID?

'Zactly. I'll bet none of the shooters even had a revoked card.

18 posted on 02/06/2017 11:16:22 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (It's gonna be bloody.)
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To: lrdg

thousands of rounds of ammunition.
= = =

Yep, 4 bricks of 22.

A couple of afternoons of social shooting.


19 posted on 02/06/2017 2:16:13 PM PST by Scrambler Bob
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