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Trump spokesman says there's still 'zero evidence' Russia influenced presidential election
Daily Mail ^ | 2 Jan 17 | David Martosko

Posted on 01/03/2017 8:10:09 AM PST by xzins

Spicer told 'Fox & Friends' hosts that last week's cyber security memo from the FBI and Homeland Security Department is a 'how-to manual for the DNC' to 'improve their IT security'

'I think it's unfair if they don't know. And I know a lot about hacking. And hacking is a very hard thing to prove. So it could be someone else,' Trump said at his oceanside Mar-a-Lago resort club in Florida.

'And I also know things that other people don't know, and so they cannot be sure of the situation.'

Asked what his secret knowledge consists of, Trump said: 'You'll find out on Tuesday or Wednesday.'

Spicer said Monday that the president-elect 'is privy to information that nobody else has' and 'what he is driving at is the fact that there doesn't seem to be conclusive evidence within the intelligence community.'

'There's an intelligence report that's due out later this week,' he added. 'And once that report is made final and the president-elect is briefed, then I think we'll have a better idea of what to make of the situation.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bho44; denial; elections; hacking; hillary; obama; podesta; russia; soreloser; trump; trumptransition; wikileaks

1 posted on 01/03/2017 8:10:09 AM PST by xzins
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To: All

I would suggest that Trump has sources around the world outside of US government channels.


2 posted on 01/03/2017 8:10:45 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

Hussein, still a cunning liar.


3 posted on 01/03/2017 8:11:16 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: xzins

The whole miserable lie was invented by American Leftists bitter that Trump won, and doing their best to lash out at him.


4 posted on 01/03/2017 8:12:15 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: xzins

The fact that NO certifiable evidence has been put forth is proof these claims are BS. I don’t care if the CIA, FBI, DOJ and NSA swear to it - even McCain and Graham. It doesn’t matter. If they won’t provide CLEAR PROOF then all this hooha is BS, period.


5 posted on 01/03/2017 8:12:40 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: xzins

MSMLSD: Who’re you going to believe? Your evidence to the contrary or our lying statements.


6 posted on 01/03/2017 8:13:12 AM PST by SkyDancer (Ambition Without Talent Is Sad, Talent Without Ambition Is Worse)
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To: Paladin2; LS

My understanding of the evidence at this point is that it is a list of companies that might have been involved in hacking, and that these companies sometimes do business with Russia.

If this ends up being “the evidence”, then it is laughable.


7 posted on 01/03/2017 8:13:49 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Gaffer

I simply don’t trust anything that has been infiltrated by liberal/neo-con/democrat/media minions, and that includes the entire US government apparatus.


8 posted on 01/03/2017 8:15:08 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

I would say the intelligence community that is not subject to political pressure is going to make itself heard


9 posted on 01/03/2017 8:15:27 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Jack Hammer

I think leftists are all about lying. It’s all they really have.


10 posted on 01/03/2017 8:16:25 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

I won’t trust any part of this government until the Trump administration has had enough time and resources to bring these ‘agents’ to account.


11 posted on 01/03/2017 8:16:27 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: xzins

Chinese and Russian hackers have cracked into State Department and Pentagon computers and have vacuumed out all kinds of information, and Obama just shrugged.

But Podesta’s emails? Stop the presses! This is war!


12 posted on 01/03/2017 8:16:30 AM PST by marron
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To: Gaffer

My understanding is that Trump can assign duties as he wishes despite the rank of anyone in the government bureaucracy. There might be a long wait to fire them, but that doesn’t mean he can’t assign them to sort mail in the mailroom.


13 posted on 01/03/2017 8:17:50 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

You have to be able to accept the Big Lie in order to muster any enthusiasm for the Marxist/Leninist orthodoxy.


14 posted on 01/03/2017 8:18:22 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: xzins

They have been lying, rather successfully, for a hundred years. Almost the whole time that we have had a pretty centralized media, starting with the AP.


15 posted on 01/03/2017 8:18:52 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marron

I agree. This is all such a joke. They pretend that Podesta didn’t succumb to phishing and that Hillary didn’t have an unsecured server.


16 posted on 01/03/2017 8:19:41 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

What would be funny is if these companies involved all have Democrat leaning CEO’s. This is pathetic but scary in that the CIA, FBI and other federal agencies have been so politicized that all of them can’t be fully trusted anymore.


17 posted on 01/03/2017 8:22:18 AM PST by dowcaet
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To: xzins

There are plenty of bathroom stalls where shelf desks can be installed and process, applications for SNAP cards with a pencil.


18 posted on 01/03/2017 8:23:47 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Jack Hammer

Probably the best “fake news” of 2016 was this assertion that the Russians somehow “hacked” the election results.

There is no possible way that the count in the election could possibly be affected from Moscow. It was and is possible to go through the office of the Secretary of State of each of the separate states of the United States, where the actual statewide tally of the votes is enumerated, and somehow hack THEIR separate computers, but this is not what was alleged.

Notable throughout this entire episode, is that neither John Podesta nor any other Democrat official, whose computer was allegedly hacked, that any of the information made public was ever FABRICATED by the Russians, but in fact, the information recovered was the text of the emails as written by the originators of this conspiracy within the Democrat party, and was acted upon accordingly.


19 posted on 01/03/2017 8:25:04 AM PST by alloysteel (Happy New Year! 2017 is shaping up to be a VERY good year.)
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To: xzins

Remember This is the SAME administration that had all it talking heads telling every reporter they could find after Benghazi 09-11-12 that the attacks were caused by a You Tube Video.

We know the 0 regime habitually lies for political gain. This is more of the same.


20 posted on 01/03/2017 8:25:51 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("The political class is a bureaucracy designed to perpetuate itself" Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Gaffer

Exactly. Better to pay them 180,000 to fill out snap applications than to have them meddling in serious issues.

It also increases the likelihood they quit out of frustration or go ballistic and provide reason to fire them.


21 posted on 01/03/2017 8:26:36 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Excellent reminder. The disinformation campaign our own government ran against us after Benghazi should cause anyone to doubt a single word they say.


22 posted on 01/03/2017 8:27:40 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: dowcaet

It wouldn’t surprise me at all that many are democrat CEOs.


23 posted on 01/03/2017 8:28:40 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins
Obama setting up impediments for Trump, trying to slow down his administration and their ability to get things done in a timely fashion........

Obama's legacy, his deliberate obstacles will overshadow any other is Barack's ungentlemanly, lack of class in the transferring of the presidency will follow him for the rest of his life...and that of his wife and daughters.

24 posted on 01/03/2017 8:29:16 AM PST by yoe (USA do not let BHO further divide this nation as he "hangs around.....")
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To: xzins

Trump has to be careful about how he plays this. There may be evidence that Russia phished for DNC and RNC emails. But that doesn’t mean much. The US has done much more than that (listening in on foreign leader’s calls). That is all just part of the espionage game. We want to prevent it but getting outraged over it is silly. But there is zero evidence that Russia “hacked the election” as if they were able to change votes through some hacking scheme.


25 posted on 01/03/2017 8:33:09 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: xzins

We need to be hammering this point more - the Chinese hacked actual FedGov systems, not a political party’s. Why aren’t we talking about that more? Why weren’t their diplomats expelled, and sanctions put in place? From June:

Chinese breach data of 4 million federal workers
http://tinyurl.com/h5pxm2x

“Hackers working for the Chinese state breached the computer system of the Office of Personnel Management in December, U.S. officials said Thursday, and the agency will notify about 4 million current and former federal employees that their personal data may have been compromised.”

This was a hack of actual FedGov systems, resulting in a very damaging data release. NOT just some emails being released from Dem campaign operatives. No response that I know of in the Chinese case.

Do we need any more proof that the response to this supposed Russian phishing event is about domestic politics?

Additionally, Tucker Carlson asks the tough question, exactly what information revealed in the leaked emails should the American people not have known before the election? The Dems don’t want to answer that.


26 posted on 01/03/2017 8:35:10 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: xzins
"zero evidence that Russia influenced the election"

This can be taken on three levels:

1. There is zero evidence that Russia hacked the DNC or Podesta.

2. Regardless of who hacked the DNC and Podesta, it made no difference in the outcome of the election.

3. Regardless of who hacked the emails, they were authentic documents - not faked - so their exposure actually gave voters more information and allowed them to make a more accurate assessment of the candidates and what they stood for. The hackers were doing the job the MSM refused to do, giving the voters a more balanced picture of the candidates.

Most of the debate centers on #1, but #2 and #3 also need to be addressed. Is there, in fact, any evidence that significant numbers of votes changed because of the hacks, and was the number sufficient to sway the election?

My view is that most people who paid close attention to the content of the hacks were already predisposed to vote against Hillary, and that fence-sitters usually don't dig very deep for information.

The release of the leaks was paralleled by a media effort to push back, first by ignoring them, then by dismissing their importance, then by attacking the leakers. Probably less than 5% of the voters were poring over the content of specific emails, and that group largely consisted of pre-existing Hillary critics and Hillary defenders. The average person looked on from afar. But if people were influenced by the hacks, it was because they had more information, not less.
27 posted on 01/03/2017 8:38:07 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: alloysteel

It was and is possible to go through the office of the Secretary of State of each of the separate states of the United States, where the actual statewide tally of the votes is enumerated, and somehow hack THEIR separate computers, but this is not what was alleged.
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I thought it was all over since Soros compromised all the SOS in the various states? Oh, didn’t work?

Must have been the Russians!


28 posted on 01/03/2017 8:40:07 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Steve_Seattle

I still haven’t seen evidence that Russia hacked the DNC or Podesta.

Judge Napolitano makes a distinction between hacking and leaking. Hacking involves some kind of bug placed in a system, iirc. Leaking involves exploiting a weakness in the system.

Podesta’s phish error and Hillary’s unsecured server explain everything that needs to be explained.


29 posted on 01/03/2017 8:42:50 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: McGavin999

Could be where Trump is getting his information?


30 posted on 01/03/2017 8:46:49 AM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialists is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Gaffer
The fact that NO certifiable evidence has been put forth is proof these claims are BS. I don’t care if the CIA, FBI, DOJ and NSA swear to it - even McCain and Graham. It doesn’t matter. If they won’t provide CLEAR PROOF then all this hooha is BS, period.

I can't understand why Trump's people don't cite Comey's report on Hillary's emails wherein he states " They couldn't tell they have been hacked because any country with that capability would not leave a trace

So how is there a trace for the DNC emails ?
31 posted on 01/03/2017 8:51:28 AM PST by uncbob
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DC has become a freak show: politicized law enforcement, intelligence and tax gathering. This DC must be dismantled, aggressively.


32 posted on 01/03/2017 8:52:54 AM PST by veracious
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To: uncbob

This is all sore loser DNC, Democrat, Liberal, and media horsesh!t. Prove it conclusively or STFU.


33 posted on 01/03/2017 8:53:10 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: xzins

Seems like there is net negative evidence.


34 posted on 01/03/2017 9:06:19 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: Paladin2

I sure haven’t seen anything.

All I’ve seen is people proclaiming the evidence to be true.

And those people are all known liars.


35 posted on 01/03/2017 9:17:34 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

The United States government has for decades intercepted the communications of foreign officials. Does anyone dispute this? Is this not a core purpose of the NSA? Even if the Russian government was behind the phishing of John Podesta’s emails, how is this qualitatively different than the US (and sometimes its allied parties in Echelon etc...) intercepting Russian officials’ emails or phone calls? Per Wikileaks, the US Government, including under Obama, even tapped the communications of allies like Frau Merkel. So I do not see how foreign intrusion into US emails is anything other than completely standard intelligence operations that we are as “guilty” of than anyone (and we are likely more “guilty” of this than anyone since our capabilities are presumably the greatest).

So the real issue is not the Russians (or whomever it was) capturing Podesta’s emails. The Dems lost no sleep over the emails being intercepted but what really drives them nuts is that the American people got to see them.


36 posted on 01/03/2017 9:29:45 AM PST by Stingray51
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To: Jack Hammer

The entire Democratic Establishment is in ruins. Many of their voters believed the biased polls. This Russian Hacker meme helps explain to their voters why the Democratic Establishment and it’s MSM failed so miserably.


37 posted on 01/03/2017 9:41:57 AM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: alloysteel
Probably the best “fake news” of 2016 was this assertion that the Russians somehow “hacked” the election results. There is no possible way that the count in the election could possibly be affected from Moscow.

Note carefully that the purveyors of the 'hacking' meme never actually say that the votes were hacked. They throw the word up like a giant Macy's balloon and let the sheeples draw that conclusion themselves.

38 posted on 01/03/2017 9:42:13 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: xzins

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if it all came back to someone in the DNC actually did the hacking and routed it in such a way that made it look like it was coming from a Russian source? That might be why there is no proof that this really happened.


39 posted on 01/03/2017 9:44:15 AM PST by wideyed (Tom B.)
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To: xzins

I think you are right.


40 posted on 01/03/2017 9:53:41 AM PST by Fishtalk
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To: wideyed

I heard a comment on Fox this morning about the leak actually coming from the democrat camp by someone disgruntled with the undermining of Bernie Sanders.

I still wonder about the staffer murdered on the street in D.C. but not robbed.


41 posted on 01/03/2017 10:06:14 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins
there's still 'zero evidence' Russia influenced presidential election

17 more days of this media blitz of fake news -- the whole purpose of which is to distract from the overt treasonous acts of the current administration, the Clinton crime syndicate, and RINOs such as McCain and Graham.

So many more, but Trump should clean house from the top down.

42 posted on 01/03/2017 10:14:38 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: Gaffer

My LIBERAL daughter and son-in-law don’t believe this crap.


43 posted on 01/03/2017 12:22:24 PM PST by Jaded (Pope Francis? Not really a fan... miss the last guy who recognized how Islam spread... the sword.ag)
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To: Jaded

Neither does my Dem-leaning mother and brother, nor the acquaintances/friends I have who are progs.

They are openly very upset at the Obama Admin’s conduct these past few weeks.

They enter a state of cognitive dissonance when I point out that Trump doesn’t want war with Russia, unlike Obama, Hillary, and neocons such as McCain and Graham. He wants to work with Russia to defeat ISIS rather than supplying ISIS with trucks and weapons. They are slowly and very reluctantly coming around to the idea that Trump has consistently held the correct position.


44 posted on 01/03/2017 12:33:09 PM PST by oblomov (We have passed the point where "law," properly speaking, has any further application. - C. Thomas)
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To: oblomov

I was surprised to hear my son-in-law give me a list of Liberal Senators and Congresscritters he thought should retire today, if possible. Pelosi, Boxer... McCain. Clean the swamp and term limits. He may see the light yet.


45 posted on 01/03/2017 12:40:17 PM PST by Jaded (Pope Francis? Not really a fan... miss the last guy who recognized how Islam spread... the sword.ag)
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To: xzins
And you won't find any evidence as it was fake news right from the start. And Obama knows it. And the fact he launched diplomatic attacks on Russia over what he knows is fake news, makes him dangerous and irresponsible.
46 posted on 01/03/2017 1:47:18 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: Gaffer
I truly believe the wonder twins want desperately to remove Assad from power, so are willing to connive with Obama on this lie.
47 posted on 01/03/2017 1:48:15 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: xzins

Not only Trump’s spokesman, but many of us who are not democrats have said the same thing.
Democrats on the other hand, will continue with the talking points until it wears itself out after the inauguration.
Somehow they know too, but like the internet video that the democrats said caused Benghazi, they will continue until it wears itself out.


48 posted on 01/03/2017 2:23:09 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent (EEe)
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