Posted on 01/01/2017 4:06:01 AM PST by US Navy Vet
“The children are treated like prisoners, marched about to the sound of bells, told when to eat, rest, exercise, and speak. Even their play grounds resemble prison exercise yards. What was the child’s only crime? He was allowed to be born.”
What poppycock!!! That’s a structured educational environment, and a good one. Schools and teachers alike, today, could only dream that such an environment were in use today.
Privatizing schools wouldn't help as much as you think. Public schools operate under the influence of state mandated quotas to increase graduation rates and scores. That gives rise to reducing standards and tolerating bad behavior in order to retain students long enough to graduate.
Private schools would be judged by the public with exactly the same criteria, and would consequently develop the same forms of rot.
The problem with public schools is actually the public. Parents don't have high expectations for their children with respect to behavior or academics. Most students are difficult to teach and tend not to care about anything but electronic gaming a social media. THOSE are the root problems, not the schools.
Well, thats a silly assumption. I might just as well assume you are some petty bureaucrat defending your right to impose your will on the people.
Let’s try talking about the subject the OP Posted, and not what you think of me or I of you. Think you can handle that?
Fact: The guy was selling bootleg cigarettes for less than the taxed rate in NYC. Now, I know this is a crime, but essentially, the police were enforcing tax laws. Regardless of whether or not this was police brutality, and whether or not he resisted, the truth is that this was a result of enforcing a minor tax.
The bureaucracy set this situation up. THEY should be held responsible.
Outstanding post. Thank you.
When the government **compels** it, then the child is at risk of learning to be a compliant prisoner of the state.
Good point.
The man died over a few pennies tax on a cigarette.
Perhaps your record is Conservative, but your comment is as Leftist as they get. The man died because he chose to resist arrest and fight with the Police. He was not sentenced to death for tax evasion. Every day thousands of people CHOOSE to resist arrest and/or scuffle with Police. Probably 99% of these people emerge relatively unscathed, with minor additional charges. A few, however, emerge seriously injured or dead. Most of the dead end up so because of drugs in their system, heart or respiratory conditions which make them poor candidates for epic struggles, etc. Please name a Nation, a Society, a Village, a Tribe for me where fighting the Police carries a guarantee of no harm. There is none. In most Societies, this behavior guarantees a death sentence. In this Society, one who engages in this behavior generally survives unscathed, chock full of “rights” to defend themselves in a Criminal Court of Law, to Sue in a Civil Court of Law, and engage a Ready and Willing Yellow Press to publicize their case. Pre-Programmed, America hating idiots like YOU are constantly vigilant and ready to come to their defense. You claim to really believe he was sentenced to Death for tax evasion on Cigarettes? You actually believe his death had nothing to do with the fight with the Police HE CHOSE TO ENGAGE IN? You are either a Leftist agitator intent of generating angst on a Conservative BB, or a reflexive ignorant idiot who tends to constantly have problems with the Police. Either way, GET LOST!
For the most part, that was the schooling I was raised in, and I am thankful now, as I was then, that it occurred. There is nothing worse than rowdy, disruptive, tardy, etc., classmates, and they exist in every class, and likely will continue to exist in every class and school. Back then the teachers were not bound by the school system to be “respectful” or “hands-off” to cupcake for simply being a child. We were taught respect and boundaries very early in life, for if we exceeded either, we were disciplined immediately, physically and/or emotionally. It was somewhat common to identify those who were not interested in learning, and to mete out physical punishment as needed when they misbehaved.
The child was there to learn, not only academics, but also respect to others and acceptable behavior. Any variance therefrom was quickly addressed. IMHO, this is the way it should be. There was no question back then that this was accepted by all in the community (~5000). But perhaps that is because I was not raised in a big city (THANK GOD!!). Just sayin...
When the **government** compels*** students to be in such and environment, the children risk learning to be compliant prisoners of the state.
Perhaps this is why the Jews who died in the Nazi death camps allowed their normalcy bias to overrule their common sense instinct to survive. They were trained in their government schools to trust the government.
If and when tyranny comes to our nation, the oligarchs will not use trains. No. Indeed they won't! They will use big yellow school buses, and far too many of the population will willingly board them just as they were trained to do by their government schools.
1) In every study where children who were accepted by lottery to receive a voucher or attend a charter, are compared to those who weren't, the children who attend the private school or private run charter far exceed those children who don't. But...This isn't my main reason for condemning compulsory government schooling.
2) Fundamentally, government schools are NOT religiously neutral in content or consequences. ( Read the Barna studies.) All government K-12 schools are godless in their worldview by law. ( Yes, **all**) Children in these godless classrooms MUST learn to think and reason godlessly if they are to cooperate in the classroom, do their godless homework, and read their godless texts. How could it be otherwise?
3) The government ***compels** children to be in a prison-like setting where every First Amendment and human right is trashed by the government and its toadies ( oops! “teachers”). The children are at risk of learning to be compliant prisoners of the state. Perhaps the reason so many Jews sheepishly boarded the Nazi death camp trains was due to their compulsory government schooling!
4) It is impossible for any government schools to be religiously, culturally, or politically neutral. Such a state of neutrality is impossible in the mind of any sentient human. Therefore....Government schooling is a First Amendment and human rights abomination.
At least with government operated schools you can vote for representatives and schools board members. That will not be the case with privately owned schools.
Parochial schools aren't for everyone either.
Just be sure to participate in your own governance. Conservatives let that job go to the liberally minded. Look where that got us.
*** “I find it nearly impossible to have even the slightest respect for a cop that is wearing combat boots and bloused pant-legs. They look ridiculous. Add a shaved head to the look and they look like even more stupid” ***
Ditto
Had a little episode with one of these tough guys, we spoke for about 30 minutes, he was also wearing those glasses (camera, microphone recorder etc) wearing a super tight short sleeve shirt, tatoos etc after he finished his business and was returning to his vehicle I just couldn’t hold my tongue and had to tell him ...
“Son, I have 28 years in Uniform and no matter what Branch or Location I was serving, I could always find a Uniform that fit”
I then had coffee with a Council member and related the story along with the Uniform observation ... (recordings work both ways)
The Officer returned the next day to complete his investigation in a Uniform that fit and not wearing the camera...
Moral of the story is that if you plan on trying to intimidate me you better not work for me.
They need to be reminded that they are Servants
I’ll start my answer by giving a little of my back ground. I started Law Enforcement in 1992. My entire career has been with a Sheriff’s Office, I’ve done Patrol, Investigations, Community Oriented Policing, SWAT, and now work as School Resource Officer in a High School of about 650 students. I’ll share my thoughts on several things I’ve read in comments and start with your question. I have to be able to wear many hats in my job, I still consider myself a Peace Officer, who keeps Peace via Law Enforcement. One of the hardest things to get across to some people is the true idea that somethings are “wrong” but not illegal, and just because something is legal, doesn’t make it automatically “right”. Example : I’ve been called by people who complained that someone “Flipped them off”, that’s not nice, but not illegal. For me to take “enforcement action” someone has to break a law or violate a county ordinance. When viewed from this point of view, laws limit Law Enforcement. My personal opinion of an action is not important, laws tell me what actions I’m sanctioned to stop and when I must stand down. In the course of investigating incidents and in some cases even finding out about them, I need intel from people. People provide intel when there is a level of trust, that’s my responsibility to earn it and keep it. That makes what I do more of a way of life than a job. See my behavior will always be under scrutiny, wither I’m on duty or off. Since its a way of life other than a job, for most of us money isn’t the motivation, so salary isn’t as big a deal as other things. I want my family and friends to live in a safe and secure environment, I’m willing to step on to a Blue line between people who want to be left alone, and those who want to victimize others as a way of life. Since on the “streets” (and in the hallways) trust is so important the integrity of the organization and officers you serve with is the most important factor for those who stay (average career in Law Enforcement in SC is less than 5 years).
Last subject I wanted to hit since it seems to be a big topic is SWAT and weapons. First of all in all situations other than an active shooter the idea of SWAT is to save lives. Active Shooters or what we now call “active killers”, the goal is to stop the threat immediately, other ops don’t have to be carried out as fast and SWAT comes in. For barricades, we secure and area and allow negotiators a chance to resolve the situation, but be able to intervene should it become an Active Killer case. For us by far most of our ops are Drug Search warrant. Drug houses usually have a number of people in them. Since their primary fear is being killed or robbed, its not unusual to find the doors or windows fortified and numerous weapons in the house. Then the kicker is most are in neighborhoods surrounded by people we don’t want to get hurt. We use different ways to get in, and overpower the site so that no one gets hurt. I won’t go into tactics, but will provide insight into how its decided to use SWAT. The drug agents who work the case when they get a warrant go down a check list, they assign a number value for different features, ie: known guns are worth a point total, known felons, fortifications etc. Once the points are totaled, there are three bands: a certain very high total makes SWAT necessary, a lower total makes it the Command Staffs call, and the lowest totals SWAT wont be used. In todays world of high powered rifles, ballistic armor, tannerite, being available to the general public and gang members with Military training SWAT is necessary and its uses will continue to climb. Just my 2 cents.
No, Garner, the man who left his city job as a gardener because of some “disability,” was a public nuisance, who interfered with legal businesses with his illegal activities. The police were there because of a call by a citizen and landowner complaining about the men hanging around in front with legal businesses, hassling customers. Then, Garner chose to put his own poor health at risk by choosing to resist the numerous officers who obviously weren’t going to let him go his time. You are an enemy of civilization.
Do we see this in supermarkets? Clothing stores? Haircutting salon?
The voting mob should have absolutely no input on a parent's decision on choice of school.
Honestly....Are you from DU? Are you a paid government school defender? Really? This is a serious and respectful question.
I think a lot of the cops’ problems are criminals who are let loose by the judges constantly and then commit more crimes. And then the DOJ and WH help BLM whip up froths of hatred towards LEO. And then encourage aholes to kill them.
I think those are their main problems.
You're getting "alot" of smart-ass answers, though. FR's getting somewhat unbalanced in the smart-ass direction. It's easier than being thoughtful.
Holy Crap!
I express my dismay at police enforcing minor taxes, and I get accused of working at Salon and being an enemy of civilization. You guys need to put down the energy drinks...you are wound way too tight.
I never said the guy was a model citizen. But this thread is about how police have changed. My premise is that, as the public face of a huge bureaucracy, the police are hated when the bureacracy and all their major and minor infringements on our liberties are to blame. I gave this as an example of this.
I thought this a conservative news discussion forum. Your response, combined with your handle, lead me to believe you are a wannabe tyrant. Just the kind of guy who has no business being a police officer.
I find your comments well reasoned and expressed in a calm rational manner. There are a lot of people here with both bad manners and a lot of baggage. They get frustrated at certain topics. I do too, sometimes. Don’t let them get to you.
I like your thoughts on school privatization. My family chose the route of homeschooling for many of the reasons you list. Thanks for posting.
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