Posted on 11/10/2016 4:04:12 PM PST by hiho hiho
The documentary filmmaker Michael Moore, like millions of American voters, was revved up on Wednesday morning. He viewed the election result as a call for change -- in his case, a call for structural change to the way we elect the president.
"You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: 'HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!'" he wrote on Facebook. "The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don't. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he's president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we'll continue to have presidents we didn't elect and didn't want."
He might be right. Before 2000, the U.S. had gone 112 years without electing a presidential candidate who had failed to win the popular vote. But thanks to the dwindling number of "swing states" over the past few decades, it's now happened twice in five elections.
The country's 538 Electoral College electors, chosen from the 50 states and the District of Columbia, actually choose the president, not the millions of Americans who go to the polls and cast ballots. This deliberate quirk in the system, which elevates the influence of more rural states with smaller populations, was the Founding Fathers' check on the mindless passions of the majority. Here's how The New York Times puts it: "[I]n an era that predated mass media and even political parties, they were concerned that average Americans would lack enough information about the candidates to make intelligent choices. So informed 'electors' would stand in for them."
The original intention, however, didn't last long. Tradition has ended up dictating that electors vote however their state's people voted. When one doesn't do so -- and that's incredibly rare and typically results in a fine -- he or she is called a "faithless elector."
Some desperate Democrats are now calling for a wave of faithless electors, insisting the 538 Chosen Ones must save the country from a President Trump. A citizens' petition on the White House website declares it is "incumbent on the present electors to remedy this existential imperilment to the Republic, moreover the planet, by choosing to elect Hillary R. Clinton to the Office of the President of the United States or any other such qualified candidate for that Office."
It's not going to happen. As of Thursday morning, the petition has barely more than 9,000 signatures. No electors from Republican states have declared they won't vote for Trump. (Before the election, a couple of Washington state electors said they might refuse to vote for Clinton if she won the state, which she did. "No, no, no on Hillary. Absolutely not. No way," said one of then, Robert Satiacum, a Bernie Sanders supporter.)
Still, many prominent politicians believe it's time to do away with the Electoral College. Said former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a Democrat and a Clinton supporter:
"If we really subscribe to the notion that 'majority rules,' then why do we deny the majority their chosen candidate?"
Typical Clinton crap
A million plus illegals voted as well.
Take them out and Trump did when the actual American citizen popular vote.
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It would take a constitutional amendment to eliminate the Electoral College and replace it with popular vote.
Look at the most recent nationwide map.
All of Hillary’s votes were on both coast and pockets scattered around.
Does anyone think middle America would allow their state representatives to give away their vote? I don’t.
Exactly. Scumbags cheat and cheat and cheat and then point directly to the results of their own crimes and demand they be taken as “fact.”
Michael Moore should be fed to pigs.
Democrats can’t stand Hillary.
And now they want to inflict her on the country.
These childish games of theirs show they no longer have power.
Good luck on being in the political wilderness.
They are on the path to certain death.
"If we really subscribe to the notion that 'majority rules,' then why do we deny the majority their chosen candidate?"
Fair enough..amend the Constitution.Get the House *and* the Senate to vote for an amendment with a two-thirds vote. *Then* get three quarters of the 50 states to approve.
Given that the current system gives smaller states a special influence you'll be *very* hard pressed to get three quarters.
BWAHAHAHA!
I read a thing - can’t remember where - that people are collecting money to bribe the electors. Seems legit, but ....
I would bet the numbers are fraudulent on the Hillary side of the list. Dead people, illegals, and lots of intentional duplicate voters. It’s how the minority party wins is by cheating, and lying. Democrats are probably responsible for the vast majority of the profits of bus companies across the nation. Bus companies profit during these elections like retailers profit from Christmas.
We have to get voter I.D. in all states, and methods in place to prevent the Democrats from plying their fraudulent ways.
All I know is thank God Trump, like he did in the primary, has more than enough delegates/electors than needed. I still do not trust the Utah electors.
Not going to happen, electors are chosen for their party loyalty, you are not going to have 36 flip to Hillary and even if they did the House could just declare their votes invalid and kick the election into the house where Trump would win anyway.
Tbat would be cannibalism.
Do pigs eat pigs?
Oink!!!!
How DARE you force pigs to eat that pile of Shiite!
'HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE...'
> ...that is, among the dead and among the illegal immigrants!
AFA living, eligible voters? No such luck, Shamu!
Of course most of know the term “popular vote” appears nowhere in the Constitution.
I’m a little curious as to why I can’t find a map with Michigan decided...yesterday Wikipedia had it red, but today it is undecided...and all the major news outlets have it undecided.
It makes me...um...suspicious that the rats are scheming.
You ain’t blockin’ nuthin’. In the words of the lyin’ king: “We won!” Get used to it or get out. Good luck with seceding. Just think of the billions in federal funding the remainder of the country will save.
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