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Medieval America
Townhall.com ^ | October 13 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 10/13/2016 6:24:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

Pessimists often compare today's troubled America to a tottering late Rome or an insolvent and descending British Empire. But medieval Europe (roughly A.D. 500 to 1450) is the more apt comparison.

The medieval world was a nearly 1,000-year period of spectacular, if haphazard, human achievement -- along with endemic insecurity, superstition and two, rather than three, classes.

The great medieval universities -- at Bologna, Paris and Oxford -- continued to make strides in science. They were not unlike the medical and engineering schools at Harvard and Stanford. But they were not centers of free thinking.

Instead, medieval speech codes were designed to ensure that no one questioned the authority of church doctrine. Culturally or politically incorrect literature of the classical past, from Aristophanes to Petronius, was censored as either subversive or hurtful.

Career-wise, it was suicidal for, say, a medieval professor of science at the University of Padua to doubt the orthodoxy that the sun revolved around the earth.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: america; medieval; vdh; victordavishanson
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1 posted on 10/13/2016 6:24:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: bestintxas; COBOL2Java; DuncanWaring; EXCH54FE; ExTexasRedhead; FreedomPoster; Gondring; ...

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2 posted on 10/13/2016 6:26:02 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Global warming because the sun orbits the earth!


3 posted on 10/13/2016 6:27:45 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Kaslin

Serfs general paid between 10 and 30 percent of their harvest to the Manor Baron.

The typical middle class taxpayers easily loses 50% of thier income to taxes today.


4 posted on 10/13/2016 6:28:49 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

Could it be high time for a peasant revolt?


5 posted on 10/13/2016 6:38:24 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (The root word of vigilante is vigilant!)
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To: Kaslin

He not only buys into a lot of stereotypes about the Middles Ages, but he misses a major point: Medieval Europe WAS CHRISTIAN and America is rapidly dechristianizing.


6 posted on 10/13/2016 6:41:01 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Kaslin

Bkmk


7 posted on 10/13/2016 6:48:00 AM PDT by sauropod (Beware the fury of a patient man. I've lost my patience!)
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To: vladimir998

Stereotypes generally form because they are reasonably descriptive of reality. Which stereotypes of the Middle Ages presented here do you think are inaccurate?


8 posted on 10/13/2016 7:01:05 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: vladimir998
He not only buys into a lot of stereotypes about the Middles Ages, but he misses a major point: Medieval Europe WAS CHRISTIAN and America is rapidly dechristianizing.

Perhaps you missed reading the entire article:

There is one great difference, however, between the medieval and modern worlds.

People living in the first millennium believed in transcendence and a soul, and sought to keep alive culture until civilization returned.

People living in the second millennium increasingly live for their appetites without worry about what follows -- with little awareness of what has been lost and so not a clue about how to recapture it.

What is more, perhaps you are not aware of who Victor Davis Hanson is:
Victor Davis Hanson (born September 5, 1953) is an American military historian, columnist, former classics professor, and scholar of ancient warfare. He has been a commentator on modern warfare and contemporary politics for National Review, The Washington Times and other media outlets. He was a professor emeritus of classics at California State University, Fresno, and is currently the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. He has been a visiting professor at Hillsdale College since 2004. Hanson is perhaps best known for his 2001 book Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western Power.

Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush. Hanson is a blogger on current affairs, particularly regarding the U.S. in the Middle East and the U.S.-Mexico situation. Hanson is also a fifth-generation farmer, growing raisin grapes on a family farm in Selma, California and a critic of social trends related to farming and agrarianism.

Hardly someone who would "buy into a lot of stereotypes about the Middles Ages"
9 posted on 10/13/2016 7:06:24 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Hillary's screeching voice is like the pipe organs of hell)
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To: Kaslin

***from Aristophanes to Petronius, was censored as either subversive or hurtful***

From Lysistrata to Satyricon.


10 posted on 10/13/2016 7:09:49 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (HANDGUNS; You don’t need it until you need it. And when you need it you NEED IT!”)
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Career-wise, it was suicidal for, say, a medieval professor of science at the University of Padua to doubt the orthodoxy that the sun revolved around the earth.

Are you saying that the sun doesn't revolve around the earth?

11 posted on 10/13/2016 7:15:08 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Bill and Hillary Clinton are the penicillin-resistant syphilis of our political system.)
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To: Kaslin

Scene from BECKET the Movie: Henry to Becket in a hovel after getting soaked in a rain:

Henry: I’m freezing. Get the fire going.
Becket: - There’ll be no wood in this house.
Henry:- In the middle of the forest?

Becket: These people are entitled to
two measures of deadwood a year.
One branch more, and they hang.

Henry:- My edict?
Becket:- Your edict.


12 posted on 10/13/2016 7:19:51 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (HANDGUNS; You don’t need it until you need it. And when you need it you NEED IT!”)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Get the heat going!

There be no electricity or gas in this house!
Why is that?
Each hovel is allowed two killowatts and 100 btu a month. One watt more and they hang.
My edict?
Your edict!


13 posted on 10/13/2016 7:23:17 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (HANDGUNS; You don’t need it until you need it. And when you need it you NEED IT!”)
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To: Kaslin
In 21st-century America, we rely on -- but could never again build -- structures such as the Hoover Dam. It's inconceivable that we could build, for instance, a new eight-lane, interstate super freeway system from coast to coast.

However, we don't have any problems building huge sports stadiums such as Cowboy Stadium outside Fort Worth, Texas, or Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara, Calif.

14 posted on 10/13/2016 7:23:32 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Kaslin
Medieval mass entertainment -- puppeteering, mimes, jugglers, acrobats -- was far different than the sort of entertainment that troubadours and bards performed for the lords. In our age, think of the gulf between the symphony and reality TV, quiz shows and the NFL.

It might also be noteworthy that the sport of jousting has been revived. Renaissance festivals, which now take place in most states, including Alaska and Hawaii, often feature jousts.

15 posted on 10/13/2016 7:28:21 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

Black Knights Matter!


16 posted on 10/13/2016 7:30:55 AM PDT by ar10
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To: vladimir998

“He not only buys into a lot of stereotypes about the Middles Ages...”

Dude, this is Victor Davis Hansen, one of the most learned historians in the country. He is not “buying into stereotypes”, he knows more about that period of time than you or I will ever learn.


17 posted on 10/13/2016 7:45:05 AM PDT by Boogieman
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“Dude, this is Victor Davis Hansen, one of the most learned historians in the country. He is not “buying into stereotypes”, he knows more about that period of time than you or I will ever learn.”

I have a PhD in Medieval History. He has a PhD in Classics. Next time you say something like “he knows more about that period of time than you or I will ever learn” make sure you actually know what you’re talking about, okay?


18 posted on 10/13/2016 7:48:12 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: COBOL2Java

I am well aware of who he is.

I am well aware that he also has bought into stereotypes of the Middle Ages.


19 posted on 10/13/2016 7:49:45 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: tet68

Interesting blog post I found about the lasting effects of the medieval era on Europe:

https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/big-summary-post-on-the-hajnal-line/

Basically, the areas that the Franks instituted their serfdom agricultural system still to this day display entirely different family structures and marriage patterns, and also correspond to the higher IQ levels and higher levels of technological achievement. The dividing line also mostly matches up with the areas of Europe that did not fall under Communist domination in the 20th century.


20 posted on 10/13/2016 7:51:47 AM PDT by Boogieman
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