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Apple, Google Back Microsoft Over ‘Sneak-and-Peek’ Searches (link Only due to copyright issues)
Bloomberg | September 6, 2016 | By Kartikay Mehrotra and Diana Bass

Posted on 09/06/2016 10:55:35 PM PDT by Swordmaker

Apple, Amazon, Google, Energy companies, and Airlines, and others back Microsoft in battle with government overreach.

Link only due to copy right issues:

Apple, Google Back Microsoft Over ‘Sneak-and-Peek’


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amazon; apple; doj; email; google; internet; microsoft; privacy; tyranny; windowspinglist

1 posted on 09/06/2016 10:55:35 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: dayglored; ThunderSleeps; ShadowAce; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; 5thGenTexan; Abundy; Action-America; ...
Apple, Google, Amazon, others backing Microsoft on "Sneak and Peak" searches by government authorities. Invasion of privacy run rampant in emails. — PING!


More Government Overreach, this time Apple is backing Microsoft
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2 posted on 09/06/2016 11:00:00 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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Microsoft gets backing from Google, Apple ... PING!

You can find all the Windows Ping list threads with FR search: just search on keyword "windowspinglist".

Thanks to Swordmaker for the ping!

3 posted on 09/06/2016 11:03:46 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: chris37
Special FRiend ping to chris37 for a positive, supportive, pro-Microsoft thread.
4 posted on 09/06/2016 11:05:39 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

Thank’s man, I will have a look at it.


5 posted on 09/06/2016 11:22:27 PM PDT by chris37 (How do you make Republicans turn on their own candidate? Sneak up behind them and say "Boo".)
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To: chris37
That -IS- rather ironic, ain't it though???

Where does a 900 pound gorilla sleep? Anywhere s/he wants to.

7 posted on 09/06/2016 11:40:22 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Swordmaker
The headline writers could have done a better job.

Apple, Google Back Microsoft's Fight Against ‘Sneak-and-Peek’

8 posted on 09/07/2016 2:59:14 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: dayglored

Note, this is about email. Bottom line: if you’re using an email server hosted somewhere other than in your own home, you CAN NOT expect privacy.

It takes an hour to set up a Postfix server. It can run in a virtual instance on a Linux laptop sitting on your desk if you want it to. The email is 100% your property. No one’s going to “take a look” or otherwise scan it for information for government or advertisers. There are dozens of websites that walk you through the process.

Technology can be daunting, but it’s not out of reach for anyone.


9 posted on 09/07/2016 4:09:27 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Swordmaker

Glad to see this in court, I have been complaining about this for years.

You don’t even know you were targeted for a warrant.


10 posted on 09/07/2016 5:14:30 AM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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You know the government has over-reached when a wide consortium from all across the political and business spectrum band together against it - ANDROID PING!

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11 posted on 09/07/2016 5:27:52 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: rarestia
> It takes an hour to set up a Postfix server. It can run in a virtual instance on a Linux laptop sitting on your desk if you want it to. The email is 100% your property. No one’s going to “take a look” or otherwise scan it for information for government or advertisers.

True, but there's a problem for the homeowner in rolling their own private mailserver. Their public IP is almost certainly dynamic (DHCP) from their ISP. This means the IP is going to be in every RBL (Real-time Block List) and no legit mailserver is going to accept connections from that home-stationed server.

They may be able to arrange to "smarthost" it to their ISP's mailserver if they're lucky, but that's something that has to be explicitly configured with the ISP (because you're basically asking your ISP to be a relay for whatever you send) and most commercial ISPs do not want people having their own home-stationed servers, mail or otherwise.

> Technology can be daunting, but it’s not out of reach for anyone.

Technology, that's true. Connections to other servers, not necessarily.

12 posted on 09/07/2016 6:03:44 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

DynDNS resolves that issue, or you can configure a cloud-based Linux server with one-way encryption.


13 posted on 09/07/2016 6:56:21 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
> DynDNS resolves that issue,...

DynDNS gives your dynamic IP public DNS records. It does not take your dynamic IP out of the Realtime Block Lists. My corporate mailserver, and all the professional ones I'm familiar with, use those RBLs to drop connections from "mailservers" with dynamic (typically residential) IPs right at the front door, because they're virtually all Windows boxes that have been infected and are spambots.

> ... or you can configure a cloud-based Linux server with one-way encryption.

Sure, you can configure a mailserver in the cloud (I have a couple of them in AWS). But that raises the technology and effort bar, and weakens your claim that "anyone" can have their own private mailserver easily. Now you're talking about folks like you and me who are comfortable being their own system admin.

Then again, IMO, if one is NOT willing to be one's own system admin, one has no business setting up an internet-connected server in the first place. There's enough garbage on the net as it is.

14 posted on 09/07/2016 9:23:06 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

Meh. Pony up for a static IP, IMO. If you want that level of relative anonymity, it’ll cost you something. Doesn’t mean the technology can’t be configured by someone with some gumption, and it’s all free.


15 posted on 09/07/2016 10:40:28 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
> Meh. Pony up for a static IP, IMO. If you want that level of relative anonymity, it’ll cost you something. Doesn’t mean the technology can’t be configured by someone with some gumption,...

And now we agree. :-)

> and it’s all free.

Or nearly so. As you point out, ISPs charge more for a static.

In my experience, spinning up a fresh VM, installing Linux, Postfix, and configuring a proper personal mailserver is about an hour. I have to wonder why Hillary chose to use Windows. That's doing it the hard way... she must have been wedded to Exchange or something.

16 posted on 09/07/2016 2:44:48 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dila813

Warrants have always been secret- when the issuing judge finds good cause to keep them secret.
It’s worked very well for centuries. I don’t see that the interwebs change anything.

Of course, perhaps the article is misleading and the suit is over something else.


17 posted on 09/07/2016 3:03:49 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: dayglored

I hadn’t heard they used exchange. Seems silly considering the complexity. Postfix uses startssl and is pretty flat. To each their own I suppose.

also, IPv6 should fix the ip addressing issue with nat.


18 posted on 09/07/2016 4:03:18 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: mrsmith

The problem is, searching someone’s electronic closet vs. just a wiretap are different

If they come to your house, you would see evidence of the search regardless of the warrant being issued secretly.

Also, there should be a time limit on the secrecy, at some point you deserve to know you were targeted.


19 posted on 09/08/2016 6:31:24 AM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: dila813

Microsoft’s complaint: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/microsoftcomplaint.pdf

I can’t buy the “on premises” argument. The apt analogy, to me, is: putting something in a warehouse *instead* of keeping it on premise.
I don’t see any constitutional problem.

But it’s obvious the secrecy is greatly abused, maybe in an individual case that abuse could rise to being unconstitutional.
Don’t think that a court can do anything but the law could and should be tightened to limit the secrecy.


20 posted on 09/08/2016 9:52:56 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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