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Why Demographics Don’t Favor the Democrats
National Review ^ | Josh Gelernter

Posted on 08/09/2016 8:53:42 AM PDT by ErikJohnsky

When was the last time someone talked seriously about courting the Italian vote, or the Irish, in a national election? Kennedy–Nixon in 1960? “Italian” and “Irish” are no longer considered in pollsters’ demography. They melted into a pre-existing electoral block, ineptly called “white voters.” Pollsters talk a lot about the “white vote” — but what they really mean is the Italian-Irish-Polish-Hungarian-Romanian-Jewish-Russian-Swedish-Norwegian-French-Dutch-Scottish-Welsh-English vote. That’s the nature of the American melting pot.

And before too long, that ethnically indistinct pot will include Latin-Americans too — Latin-Americans being the immigrant group that, after WW2, supplanted Italians as the largest. I don’t buy the idea that Latin-Americans are going to be separated by skin color. The fact is, the skin color of the average Hispanic is no more different from that of the average “white” American than the average Italian’s was in 1900.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016polls; grievanceculture; identitypolitics; racism
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this makes me very optimistic. Even if Trump loses this year, this trend could carry Cruz or Rubio to the WH next time around.
1 posted on 08/09/2016 8:53:43 AM PDT by ErikJohnsky
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To: ErikJohnsky

Cruz or Rubio. Is this Candidate Camera?


2 posted on 08/09/2016 8:55:43 AM PDT by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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To: ErikJohnsky

It will be the government dependent class against the middle/working class.

Whichever is bigger, wins.


3 posted on 08/09/2016 8:56:00 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: ErikJohnsky

What a sad sorry article—all about a time before identity politics, affirmative action, and a massive welfare state.

Don’t be fooled.


4 posted on 08/09/2016 8:57:06 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: ErikJohnsky

Latin-Americans being the immigrant group that, after WW2, supplanted Italians...

I knew we were supplanted!!!

And Cruz wouldn’t get my vote now even if there was a glock pointed at my privates.

And there WILL NO NEXT TIME if she wins.

Some of us here will be rounded up and gone.

We have a warship named after a gay child molester, navy ships surrendering without firing a shot, AGAINST IRAN. confederate flags illegal, quarter of a million dollar fine if you call a man a man at work and he doesn’t want to be.

New govt wings to decide what is and what isn’t hate speech online.

A few hundred thousands of the healthiest looking refugees i’ve ever seen coming over here to kill us, and we’re sending the planes and ships to get them.

The pezzonovante are putting up a conservative mormon solely to take states from Trump.

If she wins, there aint no next time.


5 posted on 08/09/2016 9:01:42 AM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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Melting pot works best if people look alike and speak the same language. Whites look alike and — within a couple of generations — spoke just English. Melting pot accomplished.

Immigrants tend to be non whites and they speak their own language, for the most part. The first one is very hard to break and the language thing is not going to happen with proud Hispanic mestizos speaking their colonial masters’ Spanish language as a matter of pride.


6 posted on 08/09/2016 9:02:48 AM PDT by sagar
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To: headstamp 2

Difference is the left isn’t throwing in candidates solely to take state from their OWN nominee!!

Makes me sick.


7 posted on 08/09/2016 9:03:44 AM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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but what they really mean is the Italian-Irish-Polish-Hungarian-Romanian-Jewish-Russian-Swedish-Norwegian-French-Dutch-Scottish-Welsh-English vote. That’s the nature of the American melting pot. ............................ Errrr? didn’t we have a large “German” block of voters? Would they not vote for Herr Trumpe?


8 posted on 08/09/2016 9:07:15 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (HILLARY 2016 - SERIOUSLY? What are they thinking?)
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And that means, before long, the Democrats will — once again — have to find a new core constituency.

The bulk of the left are found in the welfare state, or connected to it.

9 posted on 08/09/2016 9:11:35 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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And Cankles stacks the Supreme Court with anti-Constitution progressive tools & we lose the nation. That’s something to be “optimistic” about, right?

Vote Trump 2016


10 posted on 08/09/2016 9:12:59 AM PDT by TheStickman (Trump will be the 1st Pro America president since Reagan)
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To: ErikJohnsky

This was an interesting viewpoint. I’ve read several different articles about Mr. Gelernter, and I’m prepared to believe that he understands his generation better than I do.


11 posted on 08/09/2016 9:13:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("From the cradle to the grave, man is unteachable." ~ Winston Churchill)
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To: deadrock

“Cruz or Rubio. Is this Candidate Camera?”
LOL!


12 posted on 08/09/2016 9:15:25 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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Cause once Blacks and Hispanics each figure out that they BOTH can’t be #1 in the racial grievance pecking order for gibmedat handouts, it’s gonna provoke a brawl that will tear the Democrat Party apart.


13 posted on 08/09/2016 9:18:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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This is the faulty logic that IMHO lies at the root of the conflict between the National Review types and Trump and his followers. They see Latinos and by extension, Muslims, as being no different than the various waves of European immigrant groups that came to the U.S., and within a generation or two, “melted” into the great American melting pot. There’s some truth to it, but unfortunately, not enough. For the most part, they are coming from places where the way of life is several important degrees more “exotic” to the American way of life, but more importantly, they are coming to a place that no longer delivers the message of assimilation, that no longer proudly touts what it is about us that has made this a great country. It’s also a smaller world, and the separation from the home country, particularly for Latinos, is not as pronounced.

What it all adds up to is that it’s far less likely that these immigrants will by and large assimilate into the wider melting pot than it is that the melting pot will change to accommodate them, to the detriment of the greatness of this country.


14 posted on 08/09/2016 9:21:42 AM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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Unfortunately these new immigrants are bringing their ideas of socialism and social justice with them. The Irish and Italians etc asked for nothing from the state.


15 posted on 08/09/2016 9:26:24 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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This is why assimilation and freedom to succeed in America is so important. And why a single common language is so necessary.


16 posted on 08/09/2016 9:28:38 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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>>>”they are coming to a place that no longer delivers the message of assimilation, that no longer proudly touts what it is about us that has made this a great country.”

That’s precisely what we need to change and why.


17 posted on 08/09/2016 9:29:32 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Oldexpat
"When you import Latin American people, you are, by extension, importing Latin American politics."

Dennis Prager


18 posted on 08/09/2016 9:31:52 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ErikJohnsky

“Even if Trump loses this year, this trend could carry Cruz or Rubio to the WH next time around”

Yep, two Constitutionally ineligible Cubans is really something to look forward to. If Rubio’s amnesty plan passes, you don’t ever have to worry about conservatives winning another race. And if Cruz’s TPP passes, it is also goodbye U.S.A. However, there will be people here consuming, not manufacturing.


19 posted on 08/09/2016 9:31:55 AM PDT by odawg
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To: ErikJohnsky

Even if Trump loses he has given this country so much. He has pushed back and exposed the uniparty and the globalists.


20 posted on 08/09/2016 9:33:38 AM PDT by Mercat (Bernout or Berncoat?)
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