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Harvard Study Debunks Shooting Myth
commentarymagazine.com ^ | 7/11/2016 | Jonathan S. Tobin

Posted on 07/12/2016 12:08:50 PM PDT by rktman

What if the popular narrative about police racism that’s being pushed by Black Lives Matter and others in the wake of last week’s fatal shootings is based on unfounded assumptions? That’s the question we are forced to confront today after the publication of a new study conducted by Harvard University’s Rolando G. Fryer Jr. that shows there is no evidence that blacks are more likely than whites to be shot by cops.

Fryer, an African-American economics professor, characterized the results as “the most surprising result of my career.” While FBI director James Comey is quoted in a New York Times Upshot piece about the study saying that reliable statistics about interactions between African-Americans and police have been lacking, Fryer’s effort — which was published under the rubric of the National Bureau of Economic Research — seems to fill in the gap. As the Times notes, Fryer began this undertaking because of his anger about the controversial shootings in Ferguson, Missouri and Baltimore that put the wind in Black Lives Matter’s sails. But what he discovered doesn’t back up the notion that trigger-happy white cops have declared open season on blacks.

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IF? The stats prove there is no concerted effort to kill blacks. But, once again, truth has no place in the discussion. Notice the Prof is an african-American himself.
1 posted on 07/12/2016 12:08:50 PM PDT by rktman
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Notice the Prof is an african-American himself."

The prof will NEVER be American unless he decides to "dehyphenate" himself.

2 posted on 07/12/2016 12:13:01 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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LOL! There is that aspect.


3 posted on 07/12/2016 12:15:37 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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A mere study will not overturn a liberal consensus


4 posted on 07/12/2016 12:16:19 PM PDT by Raycpa
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I wrote to another thread this morning “I find it interesting that here in the U.S.A. we only have a race problem at the whim of the left.”

If you are also in your seventies, or above in years (age) you will have noted over those years the truth in the above statement.


5 posted on 07/12/2016 12:17:14 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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Let facts ruin a good narrative?

When have the lefties ever done that?


6 posted on 07/12/2016 12:18:32 PM PDT by Fido969
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‘Fryer, an African-American economics professor, characterized the results as “the most surprising result of my career.”’

____________________________

“Holy shit, I’m racist!”


7 posted on 07/12/2016 12:19:19 PM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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I’m impressed that a Harvard professor had enough academic and intellectual integrity not to allow political considerations to skew the results and to publish the same.


8 posted on 07/12/2016 12:21:30 PM PDT by circlecity
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False but accurate? Is that what the left says about their chosen narrative?


9 posted on 07/12/2016 12:22:00 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being stupid!)
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A mere study will not overturn a liberal consensus

True enough.

I had to/was FORCED to take two statistics classes during my university days and "studies" were considered, overwhelmingly so: in error, biased, fantasy, skewed, without any value and 99% USELESS.
The unaccounted for 1% is always the "wiggle room."

10 posted on 07/12/2016 12:23:22 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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“I’m impressed that a Harvard professor had enough academic and intellectual integrity not to allow political considerations to skew the results and to publish the same.”

Same here. It’s not common.


11 posted on 07/12/2016 12:23:42 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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But what he discovered doesn’t back up the notion that trigger-happy white cops have declared open season on blacks.

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All that matters is what Obama wants you to believe.


12 posted on 07/12/2016 12:24:39 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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Sorry, Professor. This is another “settled” leftist myth. You can’t confuse them with the facts.


13 posted on 07/12/2016 12:26:13 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: cloudmountain

There is no 99%. Valid studies done by sensible people (those studies that support a liberal narrative) are 100% accurate. All other studies are false.


14 posted on 07/12/2016 12:27:07 PM PDT by Raycpa
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Sorta like when Laurence Tribe said he would dig deep into the 2nd amendment to prove that it meant a militia and not an individual’s right to bear arms.

When came back up from his research he had to , sheepishly, admit that the damned thing meant what it said. So any gun control argument that doesn’t begin, “After we have repealed the 2nd amendment...”, is a non-starter.


15 posted on 07/12/2016 12:28:44 PM PDT by eddie willers
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Also it does not matter to MSM and BLM that the Minnesota officer is Hispanic, (OfficerJeronimo Yanez) and does not meet the narrative of White officers shooting Blacks.


16 posted on 07/12/2016 12:34:23 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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The study reveals the true problem, not the fatal shootings, but the everyday aggressive over-policing and personal abuse that blacks have suffered for decades at the hands of police. His data does show that blacks are more likely to be physically coerced than whites - we cannot determine whether it was justified or not, but it has happened and has been a very real thorn in their side for decades. The shooting deaths by police are so rare that they could never engender this tidal wave of hate, unless these people believed they were also aggrieved by the same police. They have felt the sting of all too much aggressive police action, nasty searches, quick with the night stock and handcuffs, and feeling it unjustified, and racially biased which the data has borne out, created a catalog of bad memories for many black people. The volcano of emotion erupts at the thought that this unfair police coercion reaches its apotheosis of actually murdering black males. The fatal shootings are not racist, but the policing leading up to them has been one sided and has painted the perceptions of African-Americans to declare all policing is biased.

It would take leadership that apparently Obama does not have to explain this to the black community. That, in fact they are not being targeted and killed by police because they are black, that there is no real racial bias in these shootings, that it was actually unbiased police work. That message needs to be loud and clear, but there is work that needs to be done, since there are other obvious problems that will not let the anger subside.


17 posted on 07/12/2016 12:45:45 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (It doesn't matter who votes for whom, it only matters who counts the votes - Joe Stalin)
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I’m impressed that a Harvard professor had enough academic and intellectual integrity not to allow political considerations to skew the results and to publish the same.

As was I. I full well believe the professor had ulterior motives when he began his study but am quite relieved that he published his results, despite what was probably the opposite of what he set out to find. I may be incorrect about his motives, but given the atmosphere surrounding the topic and his alma mater, I doubt it.

18 posted on 07/12/2016 12:47:49 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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The study reveals the true problem, not the fatal shootings, but the everyday aggressive over-policing and personal abuse that blacks have suffered for decades at the hands of police.

That is a "chicken/egg" argument. Is the over-policing due to excessive criminal activity or is the over-policing exposing excessive criminal activity due to heightened vigilance?

19 posted on 07/12/2016 12:51:53 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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It is hard to determine but habits and beliefs have built up on both sides, and so if each side has automatic dispositions, push button mechanisms on how to act, then it is in fact a problem. This goes back well over 100 years and is not a recent phenomenon and people have long memories.


20 posted on 07/12/2016 1:04:27 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (It doesn't matter who votes for whom, it only matters who counts the votes - Joe Stalin)
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