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Should you disable Touch ID for your own security?
MacWorld ^ | May 2, 2016 | by Glenn Fleishman

Posted on 05/09/2016 12:39:28 PM PDT by Swordmaker

Judges in the U.S. have ordered people to unlock their fingerprint-locked phones. Coercion by others remains an issue.


Should you be able to plead the Fifth when a judge forces you to use your fingerprints to unlock an iPhone?

That’s the latest ongoing debate in a Los Angeles courtroom after a judge compelled a woman in custody to use Touch ID to unlock an iPhone. Legal experts are arguing that this goes against the Fifth Amendment’s protection against self-incrimination because the authorities would then have access to potentially-incriminating personal data stored on the device.

The debate started after authorities obtained a search warrant for Paytsar Bkhchadzhyan, the girlfriend of a suspected Armenian gang member, to use her fingerprints to unlock an iPhone seized from a home in Glendale, California. The iPhone in question was enabled with Touch ID sensor technology.

In February, Bkhchadzhyan was sentenced to a felony count of identify theft. According to court documents, it only took 45 minutes after Bkhchadzhyan was taken into custody for U.S. Magistrate Judge Alicia Rosenberg to order her to press her fingerprints on the iPhone. Bkhchadzhyan’s fingerprints were collected by an FBI agent that same day.It’s the same as if she went home and pulled out paper documents—she’s produced it.

Even though the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that authorities can obtain a search warrant for mobile phones and can force people in custody to hand over physical evidence including fingerprints without a judge order, legal experts say this case is different. Their argument is that forcing a person to use their fingerprints to unlock an iPhone could be a form of self-incrimination, in violation of the Fifth Amendment.

According to Susan Brenner, a law professor at the University of Dayton, this is on par with unlawfully forcing someone to testify incriminating testimony. By unlocking the iPhone with her fingerprints, Bkhchadzhyan would be authenticating the data on the phone and become associated with it.

“By showing you opened the phone, you showed that you have control over it,” Brenner told the LA Times. “It’s the same as if she went home and pulled out paper documents—she’s produced it.”’Put your finger here’ is not testimonial or self-incriminating.

But not every legal expert believes that fingerprints fall under the Fifth Amendment’s protection against self-incrimination. In fact, Touch ID may be a legal loophole to forcing someone to reveal their passcode.

“Unlike disclosing passcodes, you are not compelled to speak or say what’s ‘in your mind’ to law enforcement,” Albert Gidari, the director of privacy at Stanford Law School’s Center for Internet and Society, told the LA Times. “‘Put your finger here’ is not testimonial or self-incriminating.”

Why this matters: The issue boils down to the earlier ruling that fingerprints are “physical evidence,” like a key. The legal system does not require a search warrant for physical evidence. However, producing an iPhone passcode is considered knowledge stored in one’s mind, so forcing someone to disclose the passcode is protected under the Fifth Amendment. 

It gets murky, however, with fingerprint sensors that unlock mobile phones. For Touch ID to be able to unlock an iPhone, a person has to physically press down on the device. A fingerprint scan won’t do. So it’s more involved than just handing over a key. It’s forcing someone to perform an action with a key only they can use.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: applepinglist; courts; fbi; privacy
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1 posted on 05/09/2016 12:39:28 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker

Does that mean I gotta get a new phone?


2 posted on 05/09/2016 12:40:11 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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3 posted on 05/09/2016 12:40:59 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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4 posted on 05/09/2016 12:43:19 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Swordmaker

Yes, apparently.


5 posted on 05/09/2016 12:43:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Swordmaker

The obvious solution would be not allow anyone with a name like “Paytsar Bkhchadzhyan” in the country.


6 posted on 05/09/2016 12:44:13 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Never held a job in the private sector;never met a payroll,never created a job - CRUZ! Conservative!)
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I cannot believe the courts have not clarified this. A court can’t force me to give up a password yet they can force my finger to unlock a device?! Incredible.


7 posted on 05/09/2016 12:44:18 PM PDT by Reno89519 (Make America Great Again Starts with America First! I stand with Trump.)
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To: rktman; Swordmaker

I seriously doubt it.
You can always wipe it if have secrets from your illegal activites.

If your question was meant to be funny you succeded. You asked Man From Apple on the inside track.


8 posted on 05/09/2016 12:45:45 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Swordmaker
If you are worried about someone using information on your iPhone, all you have to do is turn it off.

Once they turn it back on, it will require the passcode -- it won't accept a fingerprint to unlock it.

9 posted on 05/09/2016 12:45:47 PM PDT by justlurking
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I cannot believe the courts have not clarified this. A court can’t force me to give up a password yet they can force my finger to unlock a device?! Incredible.

The courts have ruled that fingerprints can be taken for ID purposes but NOT for unlocking purposes. This Magistrate Judge may be off the reservation.

10 posted on 05/09/2016 12:46:47 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Swordmaker

The judges could have as easily ordered the owner of the phone to give up the password


11 posted on 05/09/2016 12:51:47 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Swordmaker

Only use a password or phrase, and you could refuse and say that the password is the name of a person you murdered, and if divulge the password, you are incriminating yourself.


12 posted on 05/09/2016 12:52:44 PM PDT by baltimorepoet
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

It’s just that my current phone doesn’t have the finger print option on it. I certainly want to be able to unlock it for the feds if they need to check it out. LOL!


13 posted on 05/09/2016 12:52:53 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Swordmaker

Isn’t the fingerprint pattern translated into a digital code? Doesn’t that mean it’s actually a “password”?


14 posted on 05/09/2016 12:53:23 PM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumpers sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: Swordmaker

I don’t have an I-phone or a smart phone, just a Trak-phone with a few numbers and nothing else stored in it. It doesn’t even have a built in camera


15 posted on 05/09/2016 12:55:50 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Reno89519

Reno89519 wrote: “I cannot believe the courts have not clarified this. A court can’t force me to give up a password yet they can force my finger to unlock a device?! Incredible.”

The court can also force you to provide your fingerprints in an attempt to match your prints to those on a murder weapon. Same thing.


16 posted on 05/09/2016 1:03:40 PM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: Swordmaker
The Miranda rule: "You have the right to remain silent." should cover this.


17 posted on 05/09/2016 1:03:42 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: Swordmaker

I never set mine up. Now I never will....


18 posted on 05/09/2016 1:07:28 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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If they show up at your house with a warrant and you don’t let them in, it’s up to them to kick the door down.


19 posted on 05/09/2016 1:11:50 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: DugwayDuke
In that case, they already have the weapon with the fingerprint on it, so they have reasonable cause to ask for the person's fingerprint.

In the case of the phone, they do not know what is on it, and they want the fingerprint for a fishing expedition into the data.

-PJ

20 posted on 05/09/2016 1:18:56 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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