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Trump’s Ascent Has Conservatives Wary
Wall Street Journal ^ | May 6, 2016 | Gerald F. Seib

Posted on 05/06/2016 11:21:43 PM PDT by Innovative

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To: Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]

1. Romney stayed home. He refused to confront Obama. That is why he lost. Romney sees Trump as being much more dangerous than Obama. Anyone who blaming “conservatives” for Romney’s refusal to run against Obama is either duped or working for the socialist republicans.

2. The same ones who blame conservatives for staying home are the socialists in the RINO side of the Uniparty who have been trying to push social conservatives out of the republican party for years. They are liberaltarians, Romney-ites and neocons who are just liberals by another name.

3. Cruz looks outdated because he betrayed the very conservative principles he ran on. You can’t be a constitutional conservative while claiming the Constitution doesn’t apply to your own personal case. Conservatives listened to Cruz’s words but saw that his actions didn’t match. So they walked away from him. The doesn’t make conservatives look bad. It makes the person acting as a hypocrite look awful.

4.As much as the republican socialists want to believe people no longer like social conservatism, they will find they are how wrong they are if they and their godless liberal ideas come out of the woodwork.

This new dynamic you mention is just the cronies and their puppets trying to make lemonade out of their sour situation. Cruz lost because he had some very bad advisors telling him to commit suicide to win. Just as they had done to Michele Bachmann before him, they were more than willing to sacrifice Cruz on the chance they might beat Trump. And failing to accomplish that, they were willing to go along with giving conservatism, especially social conservatism, a black eye in the process. What you’ve been listening to, and influenced by, is the spin these lying manipulators are spouting.

That has been their game plan from the beginning. It is just much more apparent now that Trump has taken them down a few pegs. But it makes their operatives very easy to spot by who noticing who is being blamed as the bad guy. Conservatives know the Romneys and the RINOs and their crony donors have always been the problem. Trump has cut them down to size and shown them up as the lying manipulators they have always been. They are the ones who are getting beaten up, not social conservatives. I am very glad to see it.


41 posted on 05/07/2016 2:00:25 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Fai Mao
Trump would not have spent millions of his own money on a lark. He believes the positions he is running on. If he really thought he was a liberal at heart he would have run against PIAPS.

Well your logic is faulty here. You assume that since he is running as a Republican that he must be a conservative. And if he was a liberal he must therefore only have to run against another liberal.

This leaves out the distinct possibility that Trump is changing his tune and giving lip service to the people he thinks would be most likely to elect him. he knows he would not stand a chance running as a Democrat.

Of course maybe he has had a change of heart and is a born again conservative. If that's the case then when he goes to convention he had better swear allegiance to conservative principles without wavering.

Trump has his work cut out for him. He has to unite the party and convince the hard core conservatives (and I am one of them) that he is serious when he says he has embraced conservative ideals.

42 posted on 05/07/2016 2:12:27 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: ColdSteelTalon

I’m afraid Trump is going to not totally please a large swath of people.


43 posted on 05/07/2016 2:14:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Positive
Agreed. With age comes wisdom (only 57 here). There is no such animal as a public servant. It is a job like any other job except that when in that position you make money and power off others. I compare it in some cases to being a leech. These people get elected and are only in it for themselves and they actually in some way act like union leaders and some members do. They have their own union comprised of democrats and republicans and they do not like it when a guy like Trump rocks their boat. He has clearly now upset their boat and it has begun to sink and due to, “The People” that the politicians are supposed to follow, they in a panic. In time the Ryan will be forced to support Trump because if he does not he will never get reelected.

What I like most about Trump is that he is getting the support from republican, non-unionized, office type workers who are only now being awakened to the fact that their leaders have sold them down the road due to guest workers and people that are simply coming here and taking their jobs. Can you imagine your boss coming in and telling you to train your replacement or you are fired. Granted you get a severance package but who cares about that since you will lose your job, at say 50 years of age, no matter what you do, to somebody that is not even a citizen yet. These office workers are getting to feel what the union workers have been feeling for the past 40 plus years. I have seen it take place in Pittsburgh when the mills went down. In Detroit it happened at the car makers. Now in Indiana, Carrier is next. The political figures are selling out the country to the highest bidder and I can only guess at what they get to pocket in overseas bank accounts as they let this happen.

The days of an honest politician never really existed but today we have some real scum up there on the hill who would sell their mother for a nickel. I’ll take\ some abuse for the union comment but it is true and now the shoe is on the other foot with non-union office workers getting the axe and they showing it with the backlash at the present politicians.

44 posted on 05/07/2016 2:24:36 AM PDT by Plumberman27
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To: Waryone

Very nice post. Like your style. I strive but never get there. :)


45 posted on 05/07/2016 2:27:20 AM PDT by Shark24 (.)
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To: MIA_eccl1212

At the very least, the term “conservative” is going through a very broad redefinition.

Perhaps it may best be expressed through #NeverHillary.

Simple ABC - Anybody But Clinton.

Had enough? Because if you haven’t, there is plenty more in the pipeline.

And it ain’t gonna get any better, buttercup.


46 posted on 05/07/2016 2:33:11 AM PDT by alloysteel (The Triumph of Trump - finally, does the hegemony of the Republican elites get broken?)
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To: MIA_eccl1212

The boys club that has been ineffective in the last elections is the reason why we are here. They have themselves to blame, they forget they work for the people


47 posted on 05/07/2016 2:42:54 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Waryone
"They are the ones who are getting beaten up, not social conservatives."

But is social conservatism dead? I'd be happy to simply have a constitutional conservative but does social conservatism, as a political movement, now have a stake through the heart? Or did it die a long time ago?

Or perhaps the bigger question is America, as a Christian nation, over?

48 posted on 05/07/2016 2:44:58 AM PDT by Proud_texan ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - PK Dick)
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To: ronnie raygun

well they are certainly getting a refresher course this cycle, aren’t they.

the important thing is to make sure it happens to the ENTIRE uniparty structure of elitists and at some time it results in the loss of freedom for some of those who forgot that they were OUR servants... and not vice versa.


49 posted on 05/07/2016 2:47:22 AM PDT by MIA_eccl1212 (10 rounds 10 meters 10 seconds 10 centimetres)
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To: Innovative

50 posted on 05/07/2016 2:54:04 AM PDT by Bobalu (Government treats you like a milk cow. If things get tough, they will treat you like a beef cow)
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To: Bubba Gump Shrimp

>>Conservative is no longer the definition most folks associate with it.<<

That’s because they don’t care - or even know - about Conservative values. Trump may or may not be what WE consider Conservative; but I’m willing to take a chance. Especially when you consider the alternatives - a criminal or a Communist or even the dumb a$$.

You may be correct in that Conservative is not what it once was. Traditionalist might be better.


51 posted on 05/07/2016 2:56:07 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: stocksthatgoup
Krispy,Romney, Bush, Linda are conservatives

Absolutely!

Right up to their tippy toes.

Please clap.

52 posted on 05/07/2016 2:58:57 AM PDT by glock rocks (Please support Free Republic)
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To: Innovative
As Donald Trump emerged victorious in the race for the Republican presidential nomination this week, the loudest cries of anguish heard in Washington may well have come from one section of his own party—from those in its conservative movement.

Is this another case of "projection?" Perhaps the writer really is saying ..."from those in the GOPe movement."

Or is the writer trying to help those voters who cannot connect the dots, so he is telling them what to think?

53 posted on 05/07/2016 3:02:41 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Innovative

” “Conservatives had their party hijacked from them in the 2016 primaries,” “

Yes, by the VOTERS


54 posted on 05/07/2016 3:03:12 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: MIA_eccl1212

I’m the most conservative person I know. Well educated too. I have no problem with trump.


55 posted on 05/07/2016 3:04:27 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Waryone

Well I looked at the map and saw that Cruz could not flip any states Romney lost. It was not “conservatism” it was Cruz as a salesman that failed. Trump I think does offer an opportunity to flip certain states.


56 posted on 05/07/2016 3:08:24 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Ted Cruz's antics show he is playing for 2020 against Hillary)
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To: SunkenCiv

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57 posted on 05/07/2016 3:19:30 AM PDT by petercooper (All the world's problems are caused by the sandrats, hoodrats, gimmedats, democrats and commiecrats.)
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To: stanne

Ditto.


58 posted on 05/07/2016 3:20:22 AM PDT by petercooper (All the world's problems are caused by the sandrats, hoodrats, gimmedats, democrats and commiecrats.)
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To: buwaya

I have heard this proposed elsewhere.
Its idiotic.
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It’s treasonous!! Self-described Conservatives are all talk and no action, as Trump would say. They haven’t done a damn thing for us but BS us for decades. Now it is time to try Trump. They claim Trump isn’t conservative enough. What have they ever done that’s “conservative” on immigration, the economy, health care, trade, etc? All they say about Trump’s approach is “It is too extreme.” I have had it with these do nothing types. What good is conservatism if you only talk the line but never put it into action?


59 posted on 05/07/2016 3:40:14 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: Innovative; Fred Nerks

Trump’s Ascent Has Conservatives Wary>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Not really. Trumps rise has conservative “ideologues” wary.Not conservatives in general and there is a vast difference between the two. Sarah Palin, for example, is a conservative but she also is an inclusive non elitist . Ted Cruz on the other hand is a conservative ideologue who would be as much of a psychopomp divider as Obama is.There is a huge difference between conservatives in generall and conservative ideologues.Ryan is an ideologue as well but he is far to much a Boehnerian “unable to make the art of deal”, to work with Trump. Ryan was just fired.

And they are few but noisy. Obama is an ideologue president, and he almost destroys America. We do not need a preacher ideologue, holier than thou, divisive,elitist Utopian psychopomp for president. Obama brought that to us and it is horrible. We need an American who includes everyone in his tent. Trump will unite the nation and he will make America great again.

Trump is it. And whats more, he’s proven it.

Its quite laughable to watch idiots like Ryan destroy their own political careers over their Utopian, elitist, idiotic pish pash.They are taking their toys and going home? Good riddance.

Ryan and the Romneyites They think they can blister Trump and prevent his necessary national fund raising.....Buahahahahahaha, they are not even a bump in the road for Trump.

Newt Gingrich has it exactly right.


60 posted on 05/07/2016 3:42:38 AM PDT by Candor7 ( Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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