Posted on 04/15/2016 5:13:21 PM PDT by molewhacka
Alan Keyes is one of the most excellent candidate for president in my book. Unmoved and unmoving, he would restore much that has been lost in Constitutional government integrity and societal morality.
If Jesus showed up in America tomorrow morning, the only reason he wouldn’t get lynched by noon would be the SJWs and faux-Christian nutballs taking longer than a few hours to decide which would have the right to string him up first.
Quaker roots?
And the right wingers would certainly be clamoring to be in on the act when He told them “I never asked Caesar to be My Church!”
I agree with you that that is what the majority would want to do (and post it online within seconds), but the next time Jesus physically shows up on Earth, it will be to put an end to this nonsense once and for all.
Based on the way we are going, that day may not be too far off into the future.
The church has been 1700 years, more or less, into trying to make church-state melanges.
I wouldn’t be surprised to hear the Savior say something along the lines of “You wonder why you don’t see something with the energy of the 1st century church? Well it’s because you dumbed down My churches and whitewashed your states.”
Religious Affiliation of U.S. Founding Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
The 204 listed above are those who either:
- signed the Declaration of Independence
- signed the Articles of Confederation
- attended the Constitutional Convention of 1787
- signed the Constitution of the United States of America
- served as Senators in the First Federal Congress (1789-1791)
- served as U.S. Representatives in the First Federal Congress
www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html
This was one of the more recent attempts to forge a church-state mix, with a state that aspired to do more than simply keep order but to enjoin mores on a Christian level.
And it kinda sorta worked. If you don’t look at what the revolution DIDN’T set free.
Dumbed down church. Whitewashed state. Slavery....
And for what it’s worth, Mole, most of that filthy streak was represented, at least from recent antebellum times, by what we know as the Democrat party.
Yes, Democrats know how to talk the talk of religion too. And they still do; that’s how they can get America going on guilt trips, especially with a near-feckless actual church.
When it comes to religious hypocrites, I have observed most Republicans are giving the Democrats a run for their money.
In America, most churches are more concerned with their church business model than they are with going into “the fields that are ripe for the harvest”. As for discipleship, few have any inclination. Most of the resources are spent either making the ones already on the rolls feel comfortable enough to keep paying the bills or figuring out how to poach ready-made members from other churches.
That’s a rather broad, fact-free claim. However inasmuch as Republicans are plagued at all, it’s because of falling into the same folly of state as Christian mother of the people. It isn’t, it can’t be, Jesus never promised it, Jesus never commanded it.
I would bet that if churches saw charity as the arms and legs of evangelization (giving to people says the love of Christ better than preaching at them) we’d see both evangelization and charity burgeoning.
I happened a few years ago to see a copy of a letter that Franklin Delano Roosevelt wrote to church pastors imploring them to support his Social Security scheme. The demons directing this knew what they were doing. For a scanty, skimpy umbrella of Caesar, now unhooked entirely from Christ, the churches were able to say “I gave in my paycheck.”
I mean specifics-free claim.
We need look no farther than the church budgets and members’ calendars and checkbooks. For example, less than 2% of US churches budgets goes to missions. For even more challenging statistics, check out:
www.aboutmissions.org/statistics.html
Since there are far larger percentage of Republicans in these churches than there are Democrats, the fingers are pretty much pointing back at us.
I think there is a sad lack of thought being put into what even constitutes a mission.
I’m not calling one party sinless any more than God declared Judah sinless because Israel was worse.
Still there is a problem with the underlying model. Caesar isn’t anybody’s godfather. The church got a little but gave away a lot by means of embracing Caesar. The inevitable intrigue busted it up (first the Catholic/Orthodox split, and then the Protestant departure from the Catholic church). I would venture that the proliferation of denominations was necessary, however, to teach churches that they can’t unite around any model that vies for state support.
I am less concerned about how godly a president is and more concerned with how godly churches are. Until Christ comes and sorts out this mess personally — I’d rather have government be unbelievers that confess they are unbelievers and don’t try to carry on government like believers — than government by believers who try to carry things that are specifically Christian into the government sphere.
Nancy Pelosi is Catholic.
Good and valid points.
Jimmy Carter is Baptist, as is Bill Clinton and Al Gore.
Hillary Clinton is Methodist.
As the old saying goes, all labels will either blow off or burn off.
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