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FBI can't unlock anything newer than Apple's iPhone 5c, Comey reveals
AppleInsider ^ | Thursday, April 07, 2016, 06:25 am PT (09:25 am ET | By AppleInsider Staff

Posted on 04/08/2016 12:47:53 AM PDT by Swordmaker

The unlocking procedure used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation to break into an iPhone 5c at the center of the San Bernardino case cannot be used on new devices, the bureau's director said on Wednesday.


The IP Box setup, via MDSec.

Comey told a group of students and educators at Kenyon College in Ohio that his department had "purchased a tool" from a third party to unlock the iPhone in question, according to CNN Money. Though he stopped short of revealing the exact process, he did note that it would not work on more modern handsets.

"This doesn't work on 6S, doesn't work on a 5S, and so we have a tool that works on a narrow slice of phones," Comey said.

Discussing Apple's request that the bureau unveil its method, Comey was noncommittal but said he was worried about losing what little access the bureau does have.

"We tell Apple, then they're going to fix it, then we're back where we started from," he said. "We may end up there, we just haven't decided yet."

Since the FBI revealed its success late last month, most speculation regarding their method has centered around the so-called "IP Box" that first appeared last spring. That tool — which retails for less than $300 — latches onto a susceptible iPhone's power circuitry and enters PINs over USB.

When a wrong guess is detected, the tool aggressively cuts power to the iPhone's logic board before the guess is recorded, defeating the 10-try limit.

Apple is believed to have patched this hole in older iPhones with iOS 8.1.1; as the iPhone 5c in question is thought to be running iOS 9, the FBI has either chosen a different method or has purchased the device from a company that has discovered an as-yet unreported flaw in later software.

Beginning with the iPhone 5S, PIN guesses are managed in the hardware Secure Enclave, rendering such an attack useless.


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1 posted on 04/08/2016 12:47:53 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: dayglored; ShadowAce; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; ...
FBI Director Comey admits that the iPhone unlocking solution purchased by the FBI to unlock the San Bernardino terrorists' iPhone 5C will only work on that model iPhone and will not work on later model iPhones or iPads which have the Secure Enclave associated with the A7 and later processors. — PING!


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2 posted on 04/08/2016 12:52:13 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Swordmaker

I would like Mr. Comedy to be working full time on the open and shut Hilary indictment rather than the dime a dozen terrorist events....I mean work place violence.


3 posted on 04/08/2016 12:56:09 AM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: Swordmaker

Funny how nothing is happening with Hillary’s eMails, but gosh they sure expedited the demands on Appple’s phones.

One would almost think the FBI was flowing the Clinton matter on purpose.

Are there problems or aren’t there?

This is another snow-job just like all the Star investigations of the Clintons.

Cover-up. Rinse! Repeat.


4 posted on 04/08/2016 12:56:34 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: Swordmaker

Look how many years it’s taken them to get Hillary’s emails.


5 posted on 04/08/2016 1:15:45 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Swordmaker

That’s better.


6 posted on 04/08/2016 1:25:51 AM PDT by RC one
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To: Swordmaker

Why do I always suspect disinformation ?


7 posted on 04/08/2016 1:44:54 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Trump makes me smile!)
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To: Swordmaker

Reads like an ad for the iPhone 6.


8 posted on 04/08/2016 3:17:07 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: hoosiermama

> Why do I always suspect disinformation ?

Would the government lie to you?


9 posted on 04/08/2016 3:19:13 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: DoughtyOne

My wager is that they were not able to crack it, and that the reason it appears to be proceeding faster than a normal case is that it takes virtually no time to come up with a bluff, which was only created to allow them to save face in pulling out of a court case which would have set a pro-liberty precedent.

Bureaucracy does not move at the speed it would have to move for these government statements to be true.


10 posted on 04/08/2016 3:23:35 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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FBI can't unlock anything newer than Apple's iPhone 5c, Comey reveals

But they can unlock ALL the 5Cs. Oh No! "Back Door" Armageddon! The whole Apple Screechy fit was for NOTHING!

Apple could have restricted it to only such phones as had a court order, but now the FBI can open *ALL* the 5c phones out there!

Good job Apple!!!! You just created the very situation you were screeching about!!! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

11 posted on 04/08/2016 5:59:03 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: thoughtomator
My wager is that they were not able to crack it, and that the reason it appears to be proceeding faster than a normal case is that it takes virtually no time to come up with a bluff, which was only created to allow them to save face in pulling out of a court case which would have set a pro-liberty precedent.

Yeah, except for the fact that it is illegal for FBI agents to lie to the judge, and if they get caught, they will lose their careers and quite possibly their freedom.

I don't think they are lying to the Judge, and therefore they are not lying at all.

12 posted on 04/08/2016 6:03:25 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: thoughtomator

Interesting dynamic...

I hadn’t considered that reality. Nice alternative perception, and it makes some pretty good sense.


13 posted on 04/08/2016 8:33:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: Swordmaker

Revealing this information has to be some of the stupidest things ever done.

Perhaps he didn’t do it out of stupidity, but as a warning for everyone to update their phones.


14 posted on 04/08/2016 8:58:26 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: DiogenesLamp

If what the FBI says is true, it seems like they could have just done this without getting all public with Apple. So they could have gotten access to all these particular phones anyway, without Apple’s help and not broadcast their capability? The whole thing makes no sense. They didn’t realize that some other company could do this or do it this fast or what?

Freegards


15 posted on 04/08/2016 9:10:36 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: DiogenesLamp; DesertRhino; ctdonath2; palmer; itsahoot; IncPen; TheBattman; Cyberman
But they can unlock ALL the 5Cs. Oh No! "Back Door" Armageddon! The whole Apple Screechy fit was for NOTHING!

Apple could have restricted it to only such phones as had a court order, but now the FBI can open *ALL* the 5c phones out there!

Good job Apple!!!! You just created the very situation you were screeching about!!! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

As I have told you before, you have a reading comprehension problem. You just proved it. Nothing in this fact released by the FBI director shows that. . . only a small subset of the iPhone production is susceptible to the device the third party supplier provided to the FBI. . . which is what Apple stated at the beginning. What the FBI was demanding from Apple was a more universal unlocking tool, but you never could comprehend that. Now you misread and miscomprehend this. This is NOT what Apple was claiming would happen if Apple were to comply with the Court Order.

By the only one who comes across as "screechy" is you.

16 posted on 04/08/2016 9:46:11 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Lying to judges is routine for the government.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/2/judge-rules-epa-lied-about-transparency/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/414948/did-obama-administration-lie-federal-judge-about-amnesty-ryan-lovelace

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/08/federal-judge-gives-irs-until-friday-to-explain-itself-on-lerner-emails/

Three separate agencies in this example, and if there were any sanctions or other penalties for these lies I have missed them.


17 posted on 04/08/2016 10:30:58 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: thoughtomator

Reference bump!


18 posted on 04/08/2016 11:44:28 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Ransomed
If what the FBI says is true, it seems like they could have just done this without getting all public with Apple. So they could have gotten access to all these particular phones anyway, without Apple’s help and not broadcast their capability? The whole thing makes no sense. They didn’t realize that some other company could do this or do it this fast or what?

My understanding is that they were unaware that another company could do this until after they had already made their filing. Perhaps it was the publicity that motivated this other company to try to crack the IPhone?

You are right. I don't see the FBI advertising the capability if they didn't have to. Ergo, they weren't aware of it (or didn't believe it) prior to making their filing.

19 posted on 04/09/2016 7:21:09 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Swordmaker
As I have told you before, you have a reading comprehension problem.

No, I simply ignore pretty much ignore most of the stuff that comes from you, and no, it's not a problem, it is a solution to the endless stream of Apple propaganda that you cheerleaders keeps spewing out.

20 posted on 04/09/2016 7:23:11 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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