Posted on 03/30/2016 4:20:27 PM PDT by Swordmaker
And maybe Trump will move his production to the US too!
Lot of ignorance in some of the responses in this thread.
You need to do some more reading.
The issue is not ownership of the phone.
The county consented to the search; the phone was then unlocked by the authorities, who promptly lost the code they'd used to get in (or the code they switched it to when they got in).
That's when Apple was approached, and refused to participate in the crack.
What’s this stock price stuff. Their Stock has nosedived.
What’s in the pipeline? Apple got beat bad.
What’s new this year, another phone? A Car?
Firesale on watches?
Leading from behind with OLED’s?
It’s been nonstop bad news for a year.
However, it was already known what phone calls and the numbers called and that called went in and out of that iPhone, what messages were sent and received by that iPhone, and what emails were sent and received on that iPhone. Every single bit of communications that went through Verizon's servers and those data were provided to the FBI under a search warrant just shortly after that phone was seized after being found in the Black Lexus 300S parked in front of Farouk's and Malik's apartment. Every single one of those calls, messages, and emails was WORK RELATED, except for a couple from Malik during work hours.
Both Farouk and Malik had other phones: Android phones—purchased off-the-shelf burner phones which were provisioned with minutes with cards also purchased off the shelf—which were untraceable and which they SMASHED and reportedly threw in a lake, but which later reports claim they were actually merely thrown in the trashcans behind their apartments—along with the smashed remnants of their laptop computers with the separate remains of their smashed hard drives.
These two Android devices were so thoroughly destroyed the authorities could not even determine what network they operated on, much less a phone number for tracing any calls, messages, emails, or any data that may have existed on them, so nothing about them could be learned.
THESE Android phones were the phones that held the data the FBI and authorities really needed to learn about, not that work iPhone. I doubt there was anything probative on the iPhone.
It is true. Check it out.
What revisionist history! Apple made a federal case out of it?? It was the f-in fedgov who took the dispute pubic dumba**.
By which I mean the author of the article, not the Freeper who posted it, sorry.
Wake up! If something is free. . . you are the product they are selling.
How do you think Google makes Billions of dollars giving away services? What do they sell? Android? Google/Alphabet gives it away free. Google search? Free. Google Glass? Didn't pay back its R&D costs before it was cancelled for lack of sales. Nexus cell phones? Only four cellphone makers show a profit. Apple, Samsung, LG, and Xiaomi.
How about Facebook? How about Twitter, even though it has yet to turn a profit, what keeps the lights on?
The answer is what they know about YOU and everyone else that uses their "free" services. They sell that information to who ever wants to know about you and the other users.
For Apple? Apple is in the business of selling hardware, not information on its customers. They don't give a damn what kind of aftershave you like, or whether or not you like Wheat Crunchies for breakfast. If they knew anything about you, they wouldn't let any third party know, because they don't want to risk losing you as a customer because you are THEIR customer, not someone else's customer.
How unoriginal. This has been the cry of Apple haters since the 1990s. You’ll soon be wrong for 3 decades. Quite a record. I’m sure sane people will ignore your nonsense.
That's been the hallmark of the debate on this issue. There are over 900 apps in both iOS and Android that can encrypt data on either platform to a 256 Advanced Encryption Standard if someone wishes to keep their mid-deeds secret. That is NOT the same as keeping one's credit/debit card transactions inviolate, one's identity and other much more day-to-day privacy safe from hackers and crooks which requires a far more system wide encryption such as the methodology that Apple uses to protect its iOS devices from hacking.
I assure you that if a terrorist needed to keep his activities secret, it (I won't grant terrorist the dignity of humanity) would not be using an iPhone or even a registered subscription Android phone, but instead would be using what ISIS' and Al Qaida's websites recommend, an off-the-shelf burner phone bought at Walmart or convenience store, utilizing off-the-shelf anonymous provisioning cards for the minutes needed.
These burner phones can be purchased for under $60, 1/10th of the price of a single iPhone, and can be economically disposed of by destroying them completely. They are anonymous, untraceable, and unconnected to any credit or debit card, and if the authorities cannot learn the phone number of a destroyed phone, completely uncrackable, before, during, and after the event.
And that’s just Google, doing everything they can to increase the data mines.
Contrast that with Apple, famous for charging crazy high prices for their hardware. Who is their customer? All their software & services are clearly just to keep you locked into the hardware, so you’ll keep buying more of it just from Apple. Sure the software and services may (sometimes) cost something, but Apple isn’t making significant profits off it - more like they’re just covering costs and slowing people from abusing it. Apple has a vested interest in high security: it’s just another service to lock you into their hardware, which they can’t do if you don’t trust it’s secure.
As for Microsoft, they just want to get Windows onto everything they can, so it runs on everything as “bloatware” and has a long history of not taking security seriously.
Only Apple shows real intent to keep your data secure. All snide claims of secretly selling out to the feds have absolutely no facts to base the claim on, just bare gratuitous distrust born of pointless naysaying.
To clarify: they changed the iCloud password, which then locks out everything until the passcode (different from password) is entered on the iPhone.
Not in reference to what you were referring to, OKIE. You are lying again. You said that Apple would tank because of the FBI hacking of the iPhone. That was announced on Monday. On Tuesday, Apple's stock went up by $2 or so. On Wednesday, it was up almost $3. Your premise is thus proved WRONG.
What’s in the pipeline? Apple got beat bad.
In what way? Apple's iPhones are the fastest phones on the market, bar none. The newly released Samsung Galaxy S7, is being soundly beat in all the bench marks and real world head-to-head speed tests by Apple's six month old iPhone 6S. . . and the 7S is having WIFI connection problems. Apple has just released a newly designed 4" screen iPhone with the internals of the iPhone. First day of presales, sold out in the US, and 3.4 million pre-sold in China.
What’s new this year, another phone? A Car?
The iPhone SE, fastest of the smaller phones. . . most secure small phone on the planet. Fastest most secure tablets on the planet?
Every major car maker on the planet adopting Apple Car Play—now on fifty-five badges— and releasing Car Play as a feature on their upgraded automobiles?
Firesafe (sic) on watches?
You guys have been complaining that the Apple Watch Sport was too expensive, despite selling over 15 million. So Apple reduced the price by $50 and you call it a "Firesale" or did you really mean "firesafe?"
Leading from behind with OLED’s?
The only thing I've seen is rumors from not too reliable sources. Why would Apple give up the edge on accurate color screens which have been praised by professional photographers which have just been improved even more this year, for over-saturated color OLED screens?
It’s been nonstop bad news for a year.
Hmmmm. Only in your delusional world view. Record breaking quarter after record breaking quarters? 94% of all the profits in the Cell phone market? 51% of all the profits in the PC market? That's not bad news at all.
Thank you for clarifying.
All true. What is disturbing is the people, even here on FR, who want to give the government access to their personal data.
Even after all they have seen, their irrational hatred of a computer company or platform is enough to put them squarely on the side of a government that has shown it cannot be trusted with personal information as it will readily, and without compunction, abuse that trust.
That people who would take the time to post on FR could even take that stance is incomprehensible to me.
You're just another wishful-thinking DUmmie who need never fear a sunburned scalp...
They’ll likely find the hole the FBI exploited in fairly short order and plug it. Apple never claimed their products were perfect, just good.
Well said.
You ain’t kidding.
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