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The Cost In Standing Up For Your Pastor? $2 Billion
Townhall.com ^ | March 23, 2016 | Bryan Crabtree

Posted on 03/23/2016 10:51:43 AM PDT by Kaslin

Georgia is the latest to enter the national mayhem surrounding a state-sponsored religious freedom bill.  Its also the latest group to be the target of media obfuscation. 

Several versions of #HB757, The Religious Freedom Act have been debated by the legislature of Georgia.  The most memorable was the February version that allowed businesses to cite their faith as a reason not to conduct business with lifestyles that conflict with their values..  The was a far-right version that conflated our for-profit roles in commerce with projecting our religious beliefs on our customers and clients.  If sinners are banned from commerce, then we would suddenly find our for-profit business non-profit and bankrupt.  Quickly, such a bill lost support. 

Last week, the state Senate passed a version that is better dubbed, “The Pastor Protection Act.”  This version of #HB757, awaiting Govenor Nathan Deal’s signature or veto, focuses on faith-based organizations and not businesses. 

In essence the final version exempts preachers and faith-based organizations from being forced to conduct a wedding, rent their facilities or employee individuals that do not align with their values.  To qualify for this exemption, the organization must be legally registered as a 501(c)3 with the Internal Revenue Service.  The exemption is not just for Christian organizations.  For example, this would also reciprocate to atheists.  An atheist would receive the same protections under the bill should they wish to reject Christians from employment or participation in any of their ‘non-profit’sponsored activity or event.  This could include faith-based, non-profit schools, charitable organizations or community outreach programs. 

The media has resorted to obfuscating the facts leading many businesses and leaders to believe that this bill endorses blanket discrimination against same-sex couples.  In fact, the words gay, same-sex, Christian or atheist do not appear in the bill. 

Comparing #HB757 to the First Amendment of our Constitution, one can become quite confused.  Doesn’t it already protect Pastors and Churches from being forced to perform same-sex weddings?  The short answer is ‘almost absolutely, yes.”  But, only for now. 

The Supreme Court’s decision in Obergefell v. Hodges only ruled that states must issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.  It made no ruling on the role of pastors or churches in those marriages.  The Supreme Court has already ruled on the ‘ministerial exception’of the First Amendment which prohibits the governmental or judicial interference in the hiring/firing decisions of a church or its directly affiliated organizations. 

Georgia’s bill is redundant, but certainly not discriminatory. 

Freedom of Association clauses of the First Amendment are also a very strong defense for pastors and churches allowing them to choose its leaders and members according to their internal set of beliefs. 

Georgia #HB757 is not just to protect pastors or churches from being forced to conduct same-sex weddings or admit members who don’t align with their values.  It appears to be a bill that deters frivolous lawsuits by putting the burden of such legal costs on the activist filing the cases, if they lose.  

Remember, I said the First Amendment ‘for now’protects pastors and churches from being forced to conduct a gay-wedding.  It doesn’t protect them from facing multi-million dollar legal bills in their defense.  

There hasn’t been such a case in Georgia, but is it coming?

A gay couple, in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, filed a lawsuit against their pastor, the Rev. Kelly P. Carpenter from Green Street Church.  Kenneth Barner and Scott Chappell, claimed Carpenter violated the Book of Discipline in his“failure to perform the work of ministry.”  The assertion is that the rules of the church are contradictory. 

So, it’s coming. 

Human Rights Campaign president Chad Griffin threatened Governor Deal that if he did not veto GA #HB757, there would be a boycott of Georgia.  He urged Hollywood to abandon the burgeoning Atlanta film-market stating, “If this bill is signed into law, your employees, your contractors, all those working on your production are at risk of state-sponsored discrimination. That is wrong, it’s un-American. It’s an affront on all the values Hollywood prides itself on.”  Wouldn’t such a boycott hurt many of the very people they’re trying to protect as well? 

The NFL, NBA, Microsoft, Apple, Coca-Cola, Salesforce.com and many others have all pled with Georgia not to enact this legislation.  The NFL has gone so far as to threaten Atlanta from being removed from Superbowl consideration if it does.  I find it rich that the ethics-lacking NFL is preaching to Georgia about a ‘Pastor Protection Act.’  The NFL states they have no interest in holding a future Superbowl at the most advanced new stadium in the world, because Georgians want to outline protections for their pastor and church.  Perhaps they should be concerned with abuse, drugs, assaults and murders overtaking the NFL and leave us to our concerns.

If we pass this bill, what do we gain?  I submit that nothing is gained.  However, now we have outside corporations, sports leagues and activist groups threatening our citizens and state-government.  If we cave to that pressure, we send them a message that it’s okay to bully us on any issue of freedom, faith or purpose.  Has anyone actually read the final version or just emotional erupted from the headlines? 

The Atlanta-Metro Chamber estimates these threatened boycotts could cost up to $2 billion.

We now realize that those opposed to #HB757 oppose the very covenants outlined in the First Amendment - they find it discriminatory and offensive. 

The real question for faith-based Georgians is simple.  Do we have faith that our lost jobs and revenue will be replaced by groups proud to call Georgia home because it stands up against bullies is firm on its values?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: firstamendment; homosexualagenda; liberalfascism; religiousliberty

1 posted on 03/23/2016 10:51:43 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
I'd love to see GA call their bluff.

And they would walk away from one of the largest markets in the country?

2 posted on 03/23/2016 11:00:17 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Kaslin

“The Atlanta-Metro Chamber estimates these threatened boycotts could cost up to $2 billion.”

It’s always about the money! Big business athiests and Marxists seek to control the population and step on the Constitution.


3 posted on 03/23/2016 11:03:00 AM PDT by vette6387 (Obama can go to hell!)
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To: Kaslin

Thirty other states have similar legislation. These businesses don’t walk from all of them.


4 posted on 03/23/2016 11:06:40 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Kaslin

Georgia has a “choice” evidently——to promote Satanism——a religion which uses other people in degrading, diabolical irrational ways (removes Right Reason from their “Justice” System)-—or they promote Christian Ethics—that which undergirds our Constitution and Natural Law Theory-—which created the Age of Reason and got rid of the irrational “ethics” of pagans and satanists, like slavery, polygamy, child-sacrifice, pederasty and homosexuality-—all “normal” in islam/pagan and occult (Nazi) religions.

Either Georgia promotes our Constitution and Rule of Law——or Satanism and erases Rule of Law for irrational Rules of Man which promotes evil and vice—slavery/using others as a “Means to an End”-—always unconstitutional in Just governments.

All Just Laws promote “public virtue” in a true “justice” system (Montesquieu/the Founders). You can’t force irrational, man-made “rights” EVER.


5 posted on 03/23/2016 11:13:28 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Kaslin
Freedom of Association clauses of the First Amendment are also a very strong defense for pastors and churches allowing them to choose its leaders and members according to their internal set of beliefs.

Yeah, right. Tell that to Fontbonne Academy in Marxistchusetts, which was DENIED First Amendment protections by a constitution-hating court.

6 posted on 03/23/2016 11:18:17 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: Kaslin; All
It’s good that the states are making bills to protect freedom of religious expression. In fact, before the Constitution was drafted, Thomas Jefferson had made such a bill for Virginia.
Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

Bear in mind that Section 1 of the 14th Amendment (14A) now provides citizens the basic protection that these state religious freedom bills are attempting to provide.

14th Amendment, Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States [emphasis added]; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The problem with 14A, however, is that not only are low-information officials of states who are using PC state equality policies to attack Christians not respecting 14A, and I wouldn’t be suprised if they don’t know that 14A exists, but neither is corrupt Congress lifting a finger to protect Christians. This is regardless that 14A gives Congress the power to strengthen constitutionally enumerated rights, 1st Amendment-protected speech and religious expression for example.

7 posted on 03/23/2016 11:24:56 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Kaslin

Just in case you were foolish enough to believe that the first amendment to the Bill of Rights still means anything.


8 posted on 03/23/2016 11:31:20 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (uff said.)
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To: Kaslin

To qualify for the exemption the organization must be registered with the IRS as a 501 c3(?) operation. IOW, they must have brought themselves under the thumb of government so their members can take tax deductions on their federal forms for any donations they make to the church. That isn’t an issue at all with lots of Americans, because they are better off with the standard deduction.

For those it does help, it lowers their income by a set percentage of the amount they donated, iirc. And then instead of paying their 12% on 62000, they pay 12% on 60000. That’s a coupla hundred bucks.

It’s hardly worth the trade for the IRS to think it can meddle in your church.


9 posted on 03/23/2016 11:33:15 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Prayer for Victory is the ONLY way to support the troops!)
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To: Kaslin

Before the country falls (but probably only shortly before) we may just as well replace the bill of rights with the new list mandated by our federal courts: abortion, sodomy, euthanasia and so on.


10 posted on 03/23/2016 12:18:05 PM PDT by madprof98
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