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The Modern Conservative Movement
My Fetid Mind ^ | March 1st, 2016 | Mariner

Posted on 03/01/2016 8:11:46 AM PST by Mariner

Below is a post I made to the National Review article which calls Jeff Sessions a sellout for supporting Trump. I figured it warrants it's own thread since we all see the Republican party fracturing into multiple pieces and this may be a good vehicle to discuss that.

All the Cruz supporters who would post and cite NRO as a weighty source should feel embarrassed.

However, one claim they made is absolutely true.

NRO IS the intellectual bedrock of the modern "Conservative Movement". NRO originally defined the founding principals of Conservatism and continues to extol the "virtues" of that philosophy unashamedly.

The problem is...the Conservative Movement is little more than a dirty whore. It has no basis in patriotism. Not a nationalist bone in it's body.

"Trade, immigration and intervention", to cite Pat Buchanan from an article last night, has completely destroyed the Conservative Movement. As, on these issues the movement is purely Globalist and will ridicule any and everyone who does not toe their line.

Conservatives and the Conservative Movement are not patriotic and never put America and her interests above all others.

And, YES, I'm also talking about my fellow FReepers. Many of whom still call themselves Conservatives even though they do not subscribe to the tenets of the core philosophy.

"Christian Nationalist" is a better moniker for most of us.

As for the "Conservatives", yes, we have some common goals...but we're taking the keys away and will be driving from now on.

(Excerpt) Read more at fetidmind.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Philosophy
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This is my semi-annual vanity post. I encourage you to read all of it, it's short.

My contention is that Conservatism without Nationalism is like Faith without Works.

Not worth the powder and shot to blow it to hell.

1 posted on 03/01/2016 8:11:46 AM PST by Mariner
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2 posted on 03/01/2016 8:16:16 AM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: Mariner

I can’ get your link to work. Maybe the server is overwhelmed. If it is not very long, could you just copy and paste your vanity here.


3 posted on 03/01/2016 8:17:17 AM PST by fireman15 (The USA will be toast if the Democrats are able to take the Presidency in 2016)
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How apropos, your link is broken


4 posted on 03/01/2016 8:18:03 AM PST by Cyman (Orange Gumby folowers, easily recognizable because they know nothing about conservatism)
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To: fireman15

It is a BS link as the FR form for posting requires one.


5 posted on 03/01/2016 8:18:19 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

I tried as well.


6 posted on 03/01/2016 8:18:43 AM PST by datura (Proud Infidel)
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To: Cyman

Disregard the link, it’s just a placeholder. The entire vanity is posted here.


7 posted on 03/01/2016 8:19:38 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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“The problem is...the Conservative Movement is little more than a dirty whore. It has no basis in patriotism. Not a nationalist bone in it’s body.”

You nailed it.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3381137/posts?page=164#164


8 posted on 03/01/2016 8:21:50 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Mariner

OK, got you. I liked what you wrote and was hoping for even more.


9 posted on 03/01/2016 8:25:41 AM PST by fireman15 (The USA will be toast if the Democrats are able to take the Presidency in 2016)
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My contention is that Conservatism without Nationalism is like Faith without Works.

I would say Conservatism without Christian Nationalism is like Faith without Works.

10 posted on 03/01/2016 8:28:38 AM PST by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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When it started out, National Review couldn't afford too be to purist. It supported a wide variety of conservatives including neocons, paleocons, conservative libertarians, nationalists, etc.

But even from the very beginning it distanced itself from some elements of the conservative movement including the John Birchers and openly anti-semitic conservatives.

As they got stronger they were able to distance themselves from more and more parts of the conservative movement, especially the populist and paleocon elements.

There was a big deal in the Reagan administration when most of the key positions went to neocons even though the paleocons had worked just as hard, if not harder, to get Reagan elected. The National Review cast its fortunes with the Reagan administration, i.e. the neocons.

Near the end, Buckley seemed to have realized his mistake and retracted his support of the Iraq War, but it was too late.

My own take is there was never any official "conservative" view. Even from the very beginning key members of the National Review staff argued over basic principles. Differences were smoothed over at the beginning to allow a critical mass of conservatism to form. Once conservatives were in the ascendant, the differences became more pronounced and hard to reconcile. With the demise of the Soviet Union, a common enemy of all conservatives was vanquished and the conservatives turned in on themselves.

It happens with all ideological movements.

I think Russell Kirk had it about right, but his views only have a relatively small following. Many of those who still respect his views have gone overboard and are pushing some sort of white pride pseudo-theocracy (American Renaissance, etc.) Many others have gotten on the free market train, or big government conservative train a la British Tories.

I don't know that there is any solution. There is no common enemy or common problem that all conservatives want to solve. There is no rallying point.

I also think Roe v Wade had a really demoralizing effect on conservatives: if we can't even manage to protect the most innocent and defenseless, then what can we do?

11 posted on 03/01/2016 8:29:04 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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I’m opposed to the idea that someone else presumes they are so intellectually and morally superior to me that they get to direct with whom I trade on penalty of higher taxes.

That’s not Freedom. It is a flavor of Big Brother Totalitarianism.


12 posted on 03/01/2016 8:51:16 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Make America Grate Again!)
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MY CONSERVATIVE MANIFESTO:

More Individual Liberty.

Less Government Control.

(Work out the details in the messy realm of politics.)


13 posted on 03/01/2016 8:53:03 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Make America Grate Again!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Changing Tagline.


14 posted on 03/01/2016 8:53:40 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (MY CONSERVATIVE MANIFESTO: More Individual Liberty. Less Government Control.)
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"if we can't even manage to protect the most innocent and defenseless, then what can we do? "

Apparently nothing except to aid in the destruction of a once great nation.

I believe the Republican party embodies, perfectly, the philosophy of the modern Conservative Movement. And that's why they are baffled at their sudden descent.

Americans are usually patriots first, philosophers second.

The Founding Fathers were in no way Conservatives as now defined. They were not Free Traders or foreign adventurers. They subscribed to, and freely developed philosophies which put the health and welfare of America first. They did not seek out, and then import foreign cultures.

15 posted on 03/01/2016 8:54:50 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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The author confuses neoconservative with conservative.

True conservatism espouses the three pillars of conservatism ie. social, economic and military (patriotism).


16 posted on 03/01/2016 8:55:42 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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So sayeth the (l)ibertarian.

A philosophy I'm not hostile to.

17 posted on 03/01/2016 8:57:15 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Do you need a shoulder to cry on?


18 posted on 03/01/2016 8:57:37 AM PST by Read Write Repeat
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"True conservatism espouses the three pillars of conservatism ie. social, economic and military (patriotism)."

What are the tenets of your 3 pillars?

I am the author.

19 posted on 03/01/2016 8:59:43 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Read Write Repeat
"Do you need a shoulder to cry on?"

Such a comment is expected from an NRCC operative.

20 posted on 03/01/2016 9:02:01 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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