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Justice Department Seeks to Force Apple to Extract Data From About 12 Other
NASDAQ ^ | February 22, 2016, 11:48:00 PM EDT

Posted on 02/23/2016 11:34:59 AM PST by Swordmaker

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To: MeganC

Surprise surprise surprise

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21 posted on 02/23/2016 11:59:08 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: DiogenesLamp

That it was not a single phone that what the govt wants is to get into all phones. This is the first dtep


22 posted on 02/23/2016 12:00:31 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

You mean those fine, up-standing refugee immigrants that were VETTED by this same govt?

/s....I wish

Am I the only one who things ALL ‘laws’ should have a sunset clause? An 18th century Writs Act?


23 posted on 02/23/2016 12:03:02 PM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Right about what? That in criminal cases with search warrants, Apple would be instructed to open phones?

Right, but Apple's point is that Apple does not currently have the ability to unlock the phones. That was a selling point for ios 8 (and later), and a strong one: in an era when people read every day about hackers and government snooping, Apple's ability to accurately proclaim that their phone is so secure that not even Apple itself can crack it is pretty damn valuable.

Giving in to the government's demand here would obliterate that selling point.

24 posted on 02/23/2016 12:06:12 PM PST by zedee
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To: faithhopecharity

Faith, hope, and charity begin at home. It is imperative that critical information, especially concerning the war on Terrorism, should be everybody’s business.

I also believe in peoples individual right to privacy, and believe that both needs can be met. As with all corporations, certain levels of secrecy are in place for product protection, and in the case of government contracts, national security concerns. I do not think the Government needs to know HOW to get the information, but I do think that if they need it, Apple should supply it, provided they do it INHOUSE, and then return the phone, and the information for that specific phone, upon a court order.

Failure to do what they can to support the safety and security of the United States, and its people, is unacceptable.

IMO, those on the left will fight against this until it affects them very personally, then quickly change opinions. I see this happen very often.

IMO it is a mistake on Apples, or for that matter ANY manufacturer to create and sell, in America, any database, that cannot be accessed in an emergency, and again IMO should not be able to sell, or have imported into the USA any product that creates a security problem.


25 posted on 02/23/2016 12:06:22 PM PST by Rustybucket
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To: RightOnTheBorder

“I mean forcing someone at gunpoint to use his skills, knowledge, and time to do the bidding of others sounds a lot like slavery to me.”

You mean like welfare, O’Care, foreign aid, crony Capitalism, MediXYZ, property taxes, Civil Rights Act, etc.....

‘Bout 100+yrs. too late. The income tax (regardless of how ‘flat’) is a direct affront to the 4th, 5th, 13th.


26 posted on 02/23/2016 12:07:16 PM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
I'm not sure who they are prosecuting, since they generally don't try to prosecute dead people.

Perhaps they intend to dig 'me up, try them then imprison 'me for life (no death penalty in Liberal land, ya know), so they'll have to spare no expense in trying to revive them), and then Obambi can pardon them on his way out of office.

27 posted on 02/23/2016 12:09:16 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contIDinue....)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

If dead people can vote, then they certainly can be prosecuted for their crimes.


28 posted on 02/23/2016 12:12:18 PM PST by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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To: MeganC

Two weeks ago it was one iPhone. Now it’s 12. What’s next, 144? 1728?


29 posted on 02/23/2016 12:13:20 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Rustybucket

After running this by my better half, she said that New York City stated that they have 175 phones that they need into. SO I see the slippery slope. But...

I think the court order requirement, is in place to protect everyone. Sure anything can be abused. But, in the matter of National Security, every law abiding citizen should be in favor of doing whatever they can to protect this country.

Now, do I think it should be made public? No, not really. I don’t think we should tell our enemies that we have the means to crack the code. Example: Enigma Code. Quietly and quickly do what you can to solve the problem. And keep the media out, unless abuses arise.


30 posted on 02/23/2016 12:15:54 PM PST by Rustybucket
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To: Swordmaker

But the government said it was only ONE phone. Do you suppose they lied about it? The government would never lie to us would they? Say it ain’t so Joe, say it ain’t so.


31 posted on 02/23/2016 12:17:24 PM PST by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Looking for other terrorists, contacts, etc.?


32 posted on 02/23/2016 12:17:47 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: Swordmaker

If personal internet security is broken, then the 2nd amendment...we are at 1984.
America needs to realize how close we are to 1984.


33 posted on 02/23/2016 12:20:03 PM PST by Zathras
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To: DiogenesLamp

Ironic that law enforcement is the most contemptuous of the “rule of law”.


34 posted on 02/23/2016 12:27:17 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: zedee
Right, but Apple's point is that Apple does not currently have the ability to unlock the phones.

I believe that to be a lie, or at the very least a seriously misleading statement.

What the FBI has asked them to do is to remove the number of tries for entering a password, and to remove the delay for retrying another password entry.

Apple can update the firmware of a locked phone, and since it only takes a simple and minor code change to remove the number of tries and the delay time, Apple could do what the FBI has asked them to do in less than a day.

They just don't want to do it.

Giving in to the government's demand here would obliterate that selling point.

The government, in enforcing the law, should not be primarily concerned with what is profitable for Apple.

Can you imagine a Bank advertising that their safety deposit boxes were so secure that you could hide murder evidence in them?

I think any government would have a legitimate objection to that.

35 posted on 02/23/2016 12:27:29 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: JimSEA

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/3559f46e-d9c5-11e5-98fd-06d75973fe09.html#axzz411czelU6

Bill Gates wades in to the fray...


36 posted on 02/23/2016 12:34:15 PM PST by Rustybucket
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To: reg45; Swordmaker
Two weeks ago it was one iPhone. Now it's 12. What's next, 144? 1728?

Bring as I am extremely cynical of ANYTHING the government says, maybe the goal, all along, was ALL of them.

37 posted on 02/23/2016 12:34:34 PM PST by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: JimSEA
Ironic that law enforcement is the most contemptuous of the "rule of law".

In this Apple case, it is Apple that may be found in contempt of the law.

38 posted on 02/23/2016 12:34:47 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Rustybucket

But anyone can write their own code to encrypt their messages to their friends, and defeat any government spies.

Are you going to make writing homemade encryption code illegal?

If I write code, is it your business (under the premise of your conception of “national security”) that I can or cannot sell the code I write?

where does this premise of national security, in theory allowing you to oversee and regulate my business, end?


39 posted on 02/23/2016 12:45:08 PM PST by SteveH
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The letter which was sent to all parties under seal: The letter exposing there are more cases the Department of Justice is demanding Apple unlock.
40 posted on 02/23/2016 12:47:12 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contIDinue....)
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