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Justice Department Seeks to Force Apple to Extract Data From About 12 Other
NASDAQ ^ | February 22, 2016, 11:48:00 PM EDT

Posted on 02/23/2016 11:34:59 AM PST by Swordmaker

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To: DiogenesLamp

BFD. Everyone has access to the binary code, which is all you need if you are really good enough.

Are you a fed?


61 posted on 02/24/2016 4:27:30 AM PST by SteveH
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To: Swordmaker

I just bought a MacBook Pro, partly because of Apple’s stance on this issue.

Screw the JBTs in DC.


62 posted on 02/24/2016 4:28:57 AM PST by meyer (There is no political solution to this troubling evolution...)
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To: DiogenesLamp

The government is responsible for maintaining the well being of the people. The people include Apple, its investors and its customers.

What gives you or anyone outside of Apple the right to barge in on Apple’s copyrights and determine what is and what is not easy for Apple to do?

Do you know exactly how much effort goes into an OS release?

Are you a fed?


63 posted on 02/24/2016 4:32:37 AM PST by SteveH
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To: DiogenesLamp

Apple has not been found under contempt yet, has it?

Is someone rushing to judgment?

Does someone have a chip on their shoulder about Apple?


64 posted on 02/24/2016 4:38:49 AM PST by SteveH
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To: DiogenesLamp
Isn't this really a case of the government forcing Apple to invent something that doesn't currently exist?

Wouldn't this be like forcing a doctor to find the cure for cancer because the President's daughter is sick? It would be a different matter if the vaccine were right there on the shelf.

-PJ

65 posted on 02/24/2016 4:57:07 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Isn't this really a case of the government forcing Apple to invent something that doesn't currently exist?

Wouldn't this be like forcing a doctor to find the cure for cancer because the President's daughter is sick? It would be a different matter if the vaccine were right there on the shelf.

-PJ

66 posted on 02/24/2016 4:57:10 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Swordmaker
Next up on the agenda: force doctors to treat Obamacare patients.

-PJ

67 posted on 02/24/2016 4:59:21 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Mark17

He sure did!


68 posted on 02/24/2016 6:01:04 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (What to do? Vote for a Dominionist or an Atheist?)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

“Doesn’t mean I have to like the next nail in the coffin.”

Like it even LESS if it’s the LAST one needed though!


69 posted on 02/24/2016 6:09:36 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: IncPen

I look at your points and I see childish prattle. Ignorant stuff not even worth discussing.


70 posted on 02/24/2016 6:49:53 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
I look at your points and I see childish prattle. Ignorant stuff not even worth discussing.

In other words, you can't defend your own posts. I'll take that as a concession.

71 posted on 02/24/2016 6:53:40 AM PST by IncPen (There is not one single patriot in Washington, DC.)
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To: Swordmaker
Richard Epstein's premise in his "Apple's iPhone Blunder" article, besides ignoring most of Apple's argument

Which is what a rational person ought to do.

Ignoring most of your argument is also what a rational person would do.

That has no been shot down in Spades, as counting this case, there are now THIRTEEN such "Any Writs Act" cases the Department of Justice has opened with exactly the SAME demand on Apple! Create software to unlock these iPhones and iPads because we want to see what's in them. Epstein is wrong. Dead wrong. This IS a precedent setting case.

You're slow or something. The court order is about this one phone. Yes, it sets a precedent that Apple will always be required to open up any other phone within their capability after receiving a court order.

This is how this legal issue should be resolved.

Every time Apple is given a court order to open a phone, so long as it is within their capability, Apple should be required to do it. Yes, it sets a precedent, and it should set a precedent, and thereafter Apple needs to shut up, stop stirring up the public, and just comply with the law.

72 posted on 02/24/2016 7:08:59 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: SteveH
BFD. Everyone has access to the binary code, which is all you need if you are really good enough.

You don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps you should not speak from a position of such ignorance?

Are you a fed?

No, are you some sort of idiot?

There was a time when ignorant folk were too ashamed to speak for fear they might be revealed to be a fool. Obviously that time is past.

73 posted on 02/24/2016 7:11:12 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: SteveH
The government is responsible for maintaining the well being of the people. The people include Apple, its investors and its customers.

And an integral means of doing that is to enforce compliance with the law equally on everyone, even huge arrogant companies that need to be reminded the law applies to them too.

What gives you or anyone outside of Apple the right to barge in on Apple’s copyrights and determine what is and what is not easy for Apple to do?

Because copyrights do not allow you to hide from a court order.

Do you know exactly how much effort goes into an OS release?

Apparently quite a lot more than you do. I write code all the time. How about you? Do you ever compile a new anything?

Are you a fed?

Still no. This is the sort of question a kook or a child asks. Supposing I was, what makes you think any fed would tell someone he's a fed?

Idiot.

74 posted on 02/24/2016 7:15:36 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: SteveH

That’s enough of me answering your inanities.


75 posted on 02/24/2016 7:16:39 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Political Junkie Too
Isn't this really a case of the government forcing Apple to invent something that doesn't currently exist?

The word "invent" is hardly appropriate for making a one instruction code change and then recompiling. If this is the standard than Software developers "invent something that doesn't currently exist" perhaps a dozen times a day.

Wouldn't this be like forcing a doctor to find the cure for cancer because the President's daughter is sick?

Sure, so long as the typical doctor could do it with about 15 minutes work. Then it would be EXACTLY THE SAME.

76 posted on 02/24/2016 7:21:36 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: IncPen
In other words, I consider you to be too ignorant for me to hold a rational conversation with you.

You are half kook and half child. Not worth my time.

77 posted on 02/24/2016 7:22:50 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; IncPen; itsahoot; Mark17; dayglored; palmer; Protect the Bill of Rights; JimSEA; ...
You're slow or something. The court order is about this one phone. Yes, it sets a precedent that Apple will always be required to open up any other phone within their capability after receiving a court order.

Again, you start your arguments with ad hominem attack and insults.

Are you slow or something? What part of there are NOW TWELVE ADDITIONAL COURT ORDERS citing the 'All Writs Act' delivered to Apple at the behest of the the FBI and the Department of Justice, citing THAT FIRST Court Order as a precedent, do you fail to comprehend? Obviously you ARE SLOW. This case is NO LONGER about just this one iPhone, as Apple said it would not be.

One of your arguments has been "This is just this one iPhone, Apple should just go ahead and unlock it, it's easy."

This is not at this time within Apple's capability. The Court is ordering Apple TO MAKE IT WITHIN THEIR CAPABILITY. To any non-delusional person that is a big difference. The Court is ordering Apple to learn how to do it, to find out, to invent a way, and THEN do it, with the assumption that it can be done. The Court is forcing Apple to create something it does not want to create.

Apple was not the one "stirring up the public," it was the FBI and the Department of Justice. Apple requested this all be handled under SEAL. The FBI and the DOJ demanded it be done in the open, because THEY wanted this brouhaha, not Apple.

78 posted on 02/24/2016 8:54:43 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contIinue....)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Political Junkie Too; SteveH; Swordmaker

Apparently we’re all idiots, unable to see the genius of this guy who is on the wrong website.


79 posted on 02/24/2016 8:57:02 AM PST by IncPen (There is not one single patriot in Washington, DC.)
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To: Swordmaker
I only read a little bit of your response, and it seems as if you have simply restated your previous screed.

Though you may see some benefit in repeating what you said, I don't see any point in repeating myself.

80 posted on 02/24/2016 8:59:38 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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