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2/17/16 | Night Hides Not

Posted on 02/17/2016 11:43:27 AM PST by Night Hides Not

Requesting assistance from my fellow FReepers. The situation with Apple raised the following thought in my aging mind: Apple is failing to abide by a judicial order to hack into the phone of the San Bernardino jihadist.

However, most liberals were gleeful when the owners of the bakery in Oregon were slapped with a $135,000 fine for not baking a wedding cake for a lesbian couple. In essence, this private business was failing to abide by "The Law of the Land."


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Isn't Apple failing to abide by "The Law of the Land"? Am I wrong in seeing hypocrisy from the chairman of Apple?

Full disclosure: as an owner of an Iphone 6+, I applaud Apple's stance, because you don't know who the government may go after next. I think there's a compromise in here somewhere, though. The bakery's owners should have been left alone, too.

I believe this is covered under Atlas Shrugged, Part 2, Chapter 2: The Aristocracy of Pull.

Atlas Shrugged is now nonfiction. Thanks for any help you can provide!

1 posted on 02/17/2016 11:43:27 AM PST by Night Hides Not
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Both cases show extreme indifference to the sufferings of others!


2 posted on 02/17/2016 11:45:02 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Turks (Muslims))
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BTW, the title of the thread came from a scene in “High Plains Drifter.” The barber was trying to get Clint Eastwood’s character to purchase more expensive after shave IIRC.


3 posted on 02/17/2016 11:46:01 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi! My vote is going to Cruz.)
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Isn't this the same as a court ordering MS to provide a way into your computer to bypass the password? Do we really want that happening? I would really like to see what's on the phone but I don't want any OEM to start providing backdoors on command.

Since the guy is dead that might prove to be a work around.

4 posted on 02/17/2016 11:49:24 AM PST by raybbr (That progressive bumpers sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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Liberals believe in the Law of Ideology. Only when Law supports their ideology is it to be followed.

High Plains Drifter was awesome. Just watched it.


5 posted on 02/17/2016 11:49:28 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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iirc apple already hacked into the phone. the government is demanding that apple create a backdoor for them into every iphone, so they can surreptitiously monitor your calls, and push ti out int eh next upgrade


6 posted on 02/17/2016 11:49:54 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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both show the government making private citizens do something they did not want to do under authority of the law. Apple is being forced to write code to break their incryption, if i were them, i’d have the code show that obama was the one directing the couple to do what they did. should be easy enough...

i will not comply.


7 posted on 02/17/2016 11:50:25 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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8 posted on 02/17/2016 11:50:29 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a Simple Manner for a Happy Life :o)
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They do not currently have the technology to 3retrieve the data. This is the equivalent of the government telling Boeing to invent an invisible plane.

And if they have the right to force a company to do this, they make slaves of its employees.

This is patently immoral on so.many levels.


9 posted on 02/17/2016 11:54:46 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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Why are we wasting money on the NSA monitoring every call? The terrorists had more than one phone. Let the NSA access the calls and decrypt them. Isn’t that what they’re getting paid for?

If the NSA can’t do that, Congress needs to take an axe to their budget.

Going after Apple when the government supposedly has the ability to look at any phone call they want is a red flag. Congress needs to investigate.


10 posted on 02/17/2016 11:55:26 AM PST by meatloaf
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For Apple, it goes a bit further than simple constitutional issues. In this case, I expect Apple will get the support they seek by invoking the founders intent for governance of our nation and industry with respect to the Constitution. Apple has a lot of R&D dollars invested in making their product secure for their customers. And Hackers were not the only thing they wanted to market their security to prevent. They have a proprietary security system that is now proven to be safe from even government intrusion. The security of their customers is now in the hands of their customers.

For Apple to deliver software to the government that would allow them to hack their devices and defeat their security systems would betray their entire customer base and render all of the faith in their security systems useless. And faith is a big deal when you are talking about technological intrusions. It's really all you got.

Imagine you go and build a concrete and steel bunker that is impenetrable for your family to live in. Then the government tells you that you must provide a key to authorities in case they ever need to get in. Now take it a step further. Your neighbors and the market demands your product because it is safe, secure and stylish. You make good money on it and invest more in your new business. Then the government comes and says your product is too secure. We need you to provide us with keys for all the products you've sold just in case we ever need to breech those structures (including yours). Apple should stand pat. Any fines or legal defense they may mount and spend on will likely be cheaper than the damage done to the Apple brand. Government's next play will be to announce this is a national security issue because "radical islamist terrorists" are using apple products and they need to be able to spy on them.

11 posted on 02/17/2016 11:55:37 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being stupid!)
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You must know by now libtards know which laws/ideas are good and need to be enforced and which laws/ideas are bad and should be ignored. It is all based on an ever changing matrix of fairness, power, control and money which allows them to feel good about themselves while harming others.


12 posted on 02/17/2016 11:59:04 AM PST by PSUGOP
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Isn't Apple failing to abide by "The Law of the Land"?

No. This falls under intellectual property law and has nothing to do with refusing to offer service to someone based on what hole they prefer to be diddled in.

13 posted on 02/17/2016 12:02:10 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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Agree. If the true goal was merely to obtain the data on this guy’s iPhone, the FBI would be asking Apple to decrypt and deliver that data (putting aside the concern of whether or not this is technically possible).

But the FBI isn’t just asking for the data. They want a magic key into all iPhones.


14 posted on 02/17/2016 12:03:04 PM PST by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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Apple is an extreme left wing company, always has been.

They do all kinds of things they, as liberal, demand no one else do. Typical liberals.


15 posted on 02/17/2016 12:05:03 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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http://video.anyclip.com/movies/high-plains-drifter/the-barber-shop/


16 posted on 02/17/2016 12:05:28 PM PST by Beagle8U (Trumpanzees Lives Matter!)
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If the Justus department demanded Apple hack Bush’s phone it would have been done yesterday.


17 posted on 02/17/2016 12:06:29 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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Not true! Apple is like the 2A, trying to protect us all from an all too intrusive government. Bless them!


18 posted on 02/17/2016 12:07:11 PM PST by vette6387
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Yeah, unless your relative was slaughtered in San Bernadino.


19 posted on 02/17/2016 12:08:06 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Turks (Muslims))
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To: Liberty Valance

Thanks Liberty, for posting the pic! Y’all are making my work day go faster, and more enjoyable.


20 posted on 02/17/2016 12:09:35 PM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi! My vote is going to Cruz.)
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