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Nobody Won the South Carolina Debate: Conservatism Lost
National Review ^ | 2/14/2015 | David French

Posted on 02/14/2016 12:29:50 PM PST by KansasGirl

I’m done. Until the fundamental dynamic of the GOP primary race changes, I’m done with parsing debate winners and losers. So long as Donald Trump dominates an overly-large field of ambitious, fratricidal competitors, we will continue to see absurdities like the following:

1. Trump — the Republican front-runner, no less — borrowing language from MoveOn.org and Daily Kos to advance the absurd “Bush lied, people died” Iraq War narrative, attacking his fellow Republicans with far more fury than even Hillary Clinton can muster.

2. Trump repeatedly and loudly holding George Bush responsible for 9/11 and the fall of the World Trade Center.

3. An extended GOP defense of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, courtesy of Ohio’s extraordinarily sanctimonious John Kasich. Using talking points that Democrats would envy, he cloaked his embrace of an inferior, third-class government insurance program in the language of compassion and fiscal responsibility. In an ordinary race, Kasich would be long gone — shoved aside by genuine conservatives and an afterthought even in moderate New Hampshire.

4. Trump (yes, him again) actually extolling the virtues of Planned Parenthood on a GOP debate stage. As a businessman who built a “world-class company,” surely he understands that injecting hundreds of millions of dollars into a business helps the entire enterprise stay afloat. That’s what taxpayer subsidies for Planned Parenthood do for the nation’s largest abortion provider, even if taxpayer dollars don’t “directly” subsidize abortion.

5. An actual presidential candidate acting like an angry drunk — interrupting candidates, calling them names, and creating a social dynamic where the other GOP candidates either ignore him — and look weak — or engage him and risk lowering themselves to his shouting and name-calling level.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016debates; jebmoonseverybody; rinoreview
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1 posted on 02/14/2016 12:29:50 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: KansasGirl

pretty well describes my feelings watching it as well.


2 posted on 02/14/2016 12:31:18 PM PST by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: lonestar67

Mine too.


3 posted on 02/14/2016 12:32:01 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: KansasGirl
far more fury than even Hillary Clinton can muster

You should've seen her destroying that server in the Cruz ad.

4 posted on 02/14/2016 12:32:10 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: KansasGirl

National Review......I’m done.


5 posted on 02/14/2016 12:32:19 PM PST by JBW1949
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To: KansasGirl

Tell Frenchy to unbunch his panties.


6 posted on 02/14/2016 12:32:20 PM PST by patq
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To: KansasGirl

Trump won.

Now I’m the general election he can’t be attacked for George W’s record- a record that cost us be last two elections.


7 posted on 02/14/2016 12:32:25 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: KansasGirl

The butthurt is strong with this one.

8 posted on 02/14/2016 12:32:52 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: KansasGirl

“National Review”, purveyors of Fine TDS!


9 posted on 02/14/2016 12:33:47 PM PST by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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To: JBW1949
National Review......I'm done.

Yes, I do not trust anything they put out anymore.

CGato

10 posted on 02/14/2016 12:34:22 PM PST by Conservative Gato
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To: JBW1949

I assume that means that you cannot refute the points made in the article.


11 posted on 02/14/2016 12:34:40 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: dirtboy; KansasGirl

Hmmm. Yes. Butthurt you are.


12 posted on 02/14/2016 12:34:41 PM PST by PJBankard (It is the spirit of the men who leads that gains the victory. - Gen. George Patton)
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To: KansasGirl
Trump blew everybody off the stage last night and the various debate polls reflect that (and not just the much ballyhooed Drudge poll but even the Blaze poll who hate Donald Trump).

Trump is now playing to general election voters. At this point, the nomination is his and he did nothing last night to change that.

The GOP debates are also seeing less of an audience. This is because most conservatives have made up their minds and they are voting for Donald Trump.

13 posted on 02/14/2016 12:35:02 PM PST by SamAdams76 (Delegates So Far: Trump (17); Cruz (11); Rubio (10)
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To: JBW1949

Wasn’t it just after Iowa that NR were tooting their own horn about the devastating effect of their ‘Against Trump’ issue?

Where’s all their bravado gone?


14 posted on 02/14/2016 12:36:59 PM PST by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: dirtboy
The butthurt is strong with this one.

Yoda wouldn't have said that . . . he would've said, "With this one, butthurt is strong." ;)

15 posted on 02/14/2016 12:37:22 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: lonestar67

Trump acted like a drunk and said nothing coherent.

The debate was a mess. The high point was Cruz schooling the idiot commentator about SCOTUS. Apparently the idiot news reader didn’t know Cruz worked there.


16 posted on 02/14/2016 12:37:35 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: KansasGirl

If NH and IA proved anything at all, it was that few, if anyone, reads or pays any attention to NR. It will be the same in SC. All the “conservatives” at the NR, the Standard Weakling, and others, ever conserve is their own incomes, and privileged status at select cocktail parties. With them at the helm we have seen our country inch closer and closer to the status of a 3rd World dung-heap, and our popular “culture” become more and more coarse and vulgar. Can anyone tell me anything that any of these pontificating do nothings have ever “conserved”?


17 posted on 02/14/2016 12:38:11 PM PST by euram
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To: KansasGirl

David French, your article is a total rimfire.

Trump played them and won.

The rude, adolescent Jeb! crowd booing Trump at every turn helped Trump even more.


18 posted on 02/14/2016 12:38:17 PM PST by detch (")
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To: KansasGirl

Since it’s National Review, I take it Cruz didn’t blow everyone away?

But I will agree it was a complete farce. I hope this is the LAST of these shows. Get on with the voting!


19 posted on 02/14/2016 12:38:20 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: KansasGirl
4. Trump (yes, him again) actually extolling the virtues of Planned Parenthood on a GOP debate stage

And the same lie that Cruz uses.

20 posted on 02/14/2016 12:38:25 PM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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