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1 posted on 02/03/2016 12:11:55 PM PST by Trumpinator
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Not really news, NATO is essentially twisting in the wind until the the American army arrrives with reinforcements.


2 posted on 02/03/2016 12:14:11 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: Trumpinator

was like that when I served too.
Russia back then in the early 90’s could easily have swept across Europe and we were always told this.
Hell half of our vehicles were waiting for spare parts.


3 posted on 02/03/2016 12:14:18 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Trumpinator

NATO could not have stopped a Warsaw Pact invasion back in the 60s.

The nukes are the only thing NATO has to really forestall a Soviet invasion of the Baltics.


4 posted on 02/03/2016 12:14:54 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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Germany can’t be bothered with things like defending their borders and those of their allies. They’re too busy hosting Muslims.


8 posted on 02/03/2016 12:16:14 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Trumpinator

So, what this article is saying is that the status of US Forces, Europe has not really changed in the early 1980s.

If I recall, we were supposed to bottleneck them in the Fulda Gap.

But, I might be a little cloudy on my history.


9 posted on 02/03/2016 12:16:55 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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“NATO” (meaning, Germany) would under no circumstances fight for the Baltic states.

Any “war” there would be over before it began.


10 posted on 02/03/2016 12:17:10 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at all.)
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But—but, Genmeral Shinseki (sp?) assured us that the tank was obsolete and the wheeled Stryker would be the optimal weapon. Somehow, I think we are short on tanks and short on any thing but up armored Hummers.


12 posted on 02/03/2016 12:21:54 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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Honestly, NATO overextended by moving into the Baltics.


13 posted on 02/03/2016 12:22:47 PM PST by dirtboy
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Russia still holds Kaliningrad. They could surround the Baltics in a pincer movement and we’d be cut off from supply lines.


14 posted on 02/03/2016 12:23:57 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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15 posted on 02/03/2016 12:25:41 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Vote Tom Hoefling of America's Party for President the only person to restore the Republic)
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To: Trumpinator

I served in Germany 1969-70. My boss was career, and he said the plan if hostilities broke out in Europe, was to hold Germany for a few days, until nukes could be used to even things out.

IOW the USSR was dominant in terms of conventional forces.

The ground troop in Germany during the Cold War, were expendable.

We have but a fraction today, of those Cold War force numbers.


18 posted on 02/03/2016 12:30:36 PM PST by truth_seeker
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NATO is security theater, its an arm of the new world order.


19 posted on 02/03/2016 12:32:56 PM PST by PGR88
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Though I don’t a lot of faith in an Obama-run military, that really isn’t the issue here. To stop the Russians requires that you have some strategic depth, which you don’t have in the Baltics, and it requires that you are prepared to do what it takes to defeat the Russians... which I doubt most governments are prepared to do for Estonia.

And if the Russians use the same tactics they use in Ukraine, send its troops in without official insignia, and deny they are there, it will be difficult to arouse the political will to fight them. For proof, see Ukraine. Not just that you don’t see US troops there, you don’t see Poles or Germans there either.

By the way, the arabs have learned their lesson. If you want to invade a country, just send in your people without insignia, and they can just walk in. No problem.


22 posted on 02/03/2016 12:33:57 PM PST by marron
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29 posted on 02/03/2016 12:53:57 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Vote Tom Hoefling of America's Party for President the only person to restore the Republic)
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No way, Russia can’t even execute two skirmishes. It has all abandoned the Russians in Ukraine because of Syria. War require supply lines, maintenance of equipment and $$.


35 posted on 02/03/2016 1:27:55 PM PST by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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“If Russia Started a War in the Baltics, NATO Would Lose — Quickly”

And nothing would make a despicable Putinista like you happier.


37 posted on 02/03/2016 2:04:59 PM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
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To: Trumpinator

Strategically, NATO would have two options: retake the Baltics or be rendered irrelevant. Of course, the first option risks a wider war.


45 posted on 02/03/2016 2:24:12 PM PST by matt1234 (Note to GOPe lurkers: I and thousands like me will NEVER vote for Jeb Bush)
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Couldn’t we just air drop job applications and promise to pay the Russians for not attacking us???


72 posted on 02/03/2016 5:56:17 PM PST by Organic Panic
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