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01/10/2016 10:04:20 PM PST by
Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
well if Cruz were elected President it would be extraordinary in that he would be the first conservative President since Ronald Reagan
2 posted on
01/10/2016 10:07:05 PM PST by
plain talk
(wages he means minimum wage=)
To: Red Steel
Did Yertl write his speech or Aqua Buddha?
To: Red Steel
Why Democrats have the guts to challenge Cruz but no Republicans are willing to challenge Obama birth certificate and take it to court
4 posted on
01/10/2016 10:10:19 PM PST by
4rcane
To: Red Steel
I wonder if the children of Queen Noor of Jordon would be considered natural born citizens and able to run for President?
5 posted on
01/10/2016 10:10:20 PM PST by
abigkahuna
(Here now and whatever....)
To: Red Steel
They didn’t care about Obama....
To: Red Steel
It is extraordinary that Barry Obama was given eligibility. According to the Founders at the Constitutional Convention, Barry fails the strict definition of a natural born citizen. The strict definition intended by the Founders of “natural born citizen” in the historical record was provided by one of the Founders: David Ramsay. Historian Ramsey defines it as meaning a person born in the country to citizen parents. No testimony from any other Founder or delegate of the Constitutional Convention exists that claims any other definition. Congress never legislated the definition of “natural born citizen,” and no United States statute currently defines the term or even mentions it. The intended meaning stays with the Constitutional Convention of 1776 that is used in Ramsayâs 1789 essay, âA Dissertation on the Manners of Acquiring the Character and Privileges of a Citizen,â as its authoritative guide to what is a natural born citizen.
12 posted on
01/10/2016 10:18:20 PM PST by
jonrick46
(The Left has a mental disorder: A totalitarian mindset..)
To: Red Steel
And next President may come gulf country.
To: Red Steel
To be fair to Cruz, Alberta IS the Texas of Canada!
21 posted on
01/10/2016 10:31:24 PM PST by
SteveSCH
To: Red Steel
Not extraordinary since 2008 and 2012
23 posted on
01/10/2016 10:33:04 PM PST by
faithhopecharity
(Diff tween D's and R's is that the thatD's allow the poor to be corrupt, too. (O. Levant)
To: Red Steel
So Rand, if you really don’t like a foreigner in the WHouse, what have you done about it since 2008? Anything at all?
24 posted on
01/10/2016 10:34:30 PM PST by
faithhopecharity
(Diff tween D's and R's is that the thatD's allow the poor to be corrupt, too. (O. Levant)
To: Red Steel
Rand had nothing to say about Ubama’s blatantly phony BC.
34 posted on
01/10/2016 10:59:09 PM PST by
TigersEye
(This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
To: Red Steel
This is also why I don’t trust Rand Paul anymore. This guy has no guts. He doesn’t go after Obama for his birth certificate but willing to go after Cruz for his
36 posted on
01/10/2016 11:43:35 PM PST by
4rcane
To: Red Steel
Eight of the first nine Presidents of the United States were not born in the United States. Because they were born when it didn’t yet exist. Martin Van Buren was the first POTUS elected who also was born after the American Revolution. His successor, William Henry Harrison, was a throwback born in 1773. They only broke even on native born/non-native born (8/8) at Lincoln.
So I have no clue what Rand Paul is babbling about (which so often seems to be the case).
To: Red Steel
Yeah we have one now that was born in Kenya. It’s fricking great. /s
41 posted on
01/11/2016 12:17:06 AM PST by
Secret Agent Man
(Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
To: Red Steel
Oh, another
"ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICAN" PUPPET ATTACK DOG !
TED CRUZ is by far, the MOST CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE we've got !
Listen to a REAL CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER:
Here's the supporting article from
Ilya Shapiro, a senior fellow in constitutional studies and editor-in-chief of the Cato Supreme Court Review.
Like most immigrants, he does a job Americans won't:
defending the Constitution.Yes, Ted Cruz Can be President
August 26, 2013., by Ilya Shapiro
As we head into a potential government shutdown over the funding of Obamacare, the iconoclastic junior senator from Texas - - love him or hate him - - continues to stride across the national stage.
With his presidential aspirations as big as everything in his home state, by now many know what has never been a secret:Ted Cruz was born in Canada.
(Full disclosure: I'm Canadian myself, with a green card.
Also, Cruz has been a friend since his days representing Texas before the Supreme Court.)
But does that mean that Cruz's presidential ambitions are gummed up with maple syrup
or stuck in snowdrifts altogether different from those plaguing the Iowa caucuses?
Are the birthers now hoist on their own petards,having been unable to find any proof that President Obama was born outside the United States
but forcing their comrade-in-boots to disqualify himself by releasing his Alberta birth certificate?
No, actually, and it's not even that complicated; you just have to look up the right law.
It boils down to whether Cruz is a "natural born citizen" of the United States,the only class of people constitutionally eligible for the presidency.(The Founding Fathers didn't want their newly independent nation to be taken over by foreigners on the sly.)
What's a "natural born citizen" ?
The Constitution doesn't say,
but the Framers' understanding, combined with statutes enacted by the First Congress, indicate thatthe phrase means both birth abroad to American parents - - in a manner regulated by federal law - -
and birth within the nation's territory regardless of parental citizenship.
The Supreme Court
has confirmed that definition
on multiple occasions
in various contexts.
There's no ideological debate here:Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe and former solicitor general Ted Olson - -who were on opposite sides in Bush v. Gore among other cases
- - co-authored a memorandum in March 2008 detailing the above legal explanation in the context of John McCain's eligibility.Recall that McCain --lately one of Cruz's chief antagonists
- - was born to U.S. citizen parents serving on a military base in the Panama Canal Zone.
In other words, anyone who is a citizen at birth - -as opposed to someone who becomes a citizen later ("naturalizes"
or who isn't a citizen at all
- - can be president.
So the one remaining question iswhether Ted Cruz was a citizen at birth.
That's an easy one.
The Nationality Act of 1940 outlines which children become "nationals and citizens of the United States at birth."
In addition to those who are born in the United States or born outside the country to parents who were both citizens - -or, interestingly, found in the United States without parents and no proof of birth elsewhere - -
citizenship goes to babies born to one American parent who has spent a certain number of years here.
That single-parent requirement has been amended several times, but under the law in effect between 1952 and 1986 - - Cruz was born in 1970 - -someone must have a citizen parent who resided in the United States for at least 10 years,
including five after the age of 14, in order to be considered a natural-born citizen.
Cruz's mother, Eleanor Darragh, was born in Delaware, lived most of her life in the United States, and gave birth to little Rafael Edward Cruz in her 30s. Q.E.D.
So why all the brouhaha about where Obama was born, given that there's no dispute that his mother, Ann Dunham, was a citizen?Because his mother was 18 when she gave birth to the future president in 1961
and so couldn't have met the 5-year-post-age-14 residency requirement.
Had Obama been born a year later, it wouldn't have mattered whether that birth took place inHawaii,
Kenya,
Indonesia,
or anywhere else.(For those born since 1986, by the way,the single citizen parent must have only resided here for five years,at least two of which must be after the age of 14.)
In short, it may be politically advantageous for Ted Cruz to renounce his Canadian citizenship before making a run at the White House,
but his eligibility for that office shouldn't be in doubt.
As Tribe and Olson said about McCain - -and could've said aboutObama,
or the Mexico-born George Romney,
or the Arizona-territory-born Barry Goldwater
- - Cruz "is certainly NOT the hypothetical 'foreigner'who John Jay and George Washington were concerned might usurp the role of Commander in Chief."
And also on ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, TED CRUZ WINS, hands down !
When it comes to Marco "AMNESTY" Rubio, CRUZ WINS hands down.
Rubio stood with Barack Obama and Chuck Schemer and supported a massive amnesty plan. But TED CRUZ chose to stand with others like Jeff Sessions and Steve King and the American people, to secure the border.
They can't stop CRUZ.
Source: ... Cruz even indicated he would back deporting those who came here illegally -- another proposal he has usually rebuffed.
"I would enforce the law," Cruz said, explaining that he would first deport criminals without proper papers.
"Federal immigration law provides thatif someone is here illegally and is apprehended,
that they should be sent back to their home country."
Cruz has recently begun stressing that he believes the number of undocumented immigrants would decrease with strict border enforcement.
...
"The only people I'm under fire from are reporters who want to throw rocks," Cruz said in Harlan.
"Once we've demonstrated that we can solve the problem, then we can have a conversation about what to do about whatever people remain illegally."
The Rubio campaign ...
"He has attempted to muddy the waters," Cruz said on the stage. "Where there was a battle over amnesty
and some chose, like Sen. Rubio to stand with Barack Obama and Chuck Schemerand support a massive amnesty plan.
Others chose to stand with Jeff Sessions and Steve King and the American people
Let's get VERY CLEAR on TED CRUZ and Immigration: Immigration
As the son of a Cuban immigrant, Sen. Cruz celebrates LEGAL immigration.
He has championed measuresto secure the border,
reform the LEGAL immigration system,
and uphold the rule of law.
Americans, and particularly Texans, have witnessed the harmful effects of an unsecure border,endangering the lives both of citizens and those who enter illegally.
President Obama's policies have encouraged drug smugglers, child abusers, murderers, and other dangerous criminals to traffick immigrant children into our nation under life-threatening conditions.
In the summer of 2013 we witnessed a humanitarian crisis at our Southern Border, propelled by PROMISES OF AMNESTY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE .
Immigrants deserve a better system in which they will be welcomed to the United States safely and with dignity.
As a critical step to protecting families and inviting more people to enter LEGALLY, in 2014, Sen. Cruz proposed legislation TO PREVENT OBAMA FROM ILLEGALLY EXPANDING AMNESTY .
The House acted to solve the ongoing crisis and passed bills that closely mirrored Sen. Cruzâs proposals,but regrettably the Senate DemocRATS REFUSED TO ALLOW A VOTE on the measures.
In 2013, Sen. Cruz proposed amendments to the "Gang of 8";bill that wouldstrengthen border security,
expand green card opportunities,
increase high-skilled 'H1B'visas, PREVENT ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM RECEIVING WELFARE BENEFITS ,
and enforce the rule of law.
ALSO from On The Issues :Ted Cruz on Immigration
End Obama's illegal amnesty via Congress' checks & balances
Q: How to respond to the split within your party on immigration?
What you're saying isthat the Republicans should vote to fund the governments for all departments except one:no funding for the Department of Homeland Security,
which handles immigration, rescinding President Obama's executive action,
and if he vetoes that, he's responsible for shutting down the department.
The problem isthat's almost exactly what you did with the government shutdown across the entire government in 2013 with ObamaCare,
and it backfired badly on your party.
CRUZ: All across this country, Republicans campaigned, saying: if you elect a Republican Senate, we will stop President Obama's illegal amnesty.
We need to HONOR WHAT WE SAID .
We should use the constitutional checks and balances that we have TO REIN IN THE ABUSE OF POWER OF THE EXECUTIVE.Step #1 is IF the president implements this LAWLESS AMNESTY, that THE SENATE WILL NOT CONFIRM ANY executive or judicial nominees.
Defund amnesty; and refuse any nominees until rescinded
Q: How would you rescind President Obama's executive action on immigration?
CRUZ: We should use the constitutional checks and balances that we have TO REIN IN THE ABUSE OF POWER OF THE EXECUTIVE .Step #1 that I have called for is the incoming majority leader should announce IF the president implements this LAWLESS AMNESTY, that THE SENATE WILL NOT CONFIRM ANY executive or judicial nominees,other than VITALl national security positions,
for the next two years,
UNLESS AND UNTIL the president ENDS THIS LAWLESS AMNESTY .
That is AN EXPLICIT AUTHORITY given TO the Senate.
Q: Are you saying the Senate should REFUSE TO CONFIRM the president's new nominee for attorney general?
CRUZ: We have to REIN IN the executive.
And step #2, we've got is THE POWER OF THE PURSE,and we should FUND ONE AT A TIME the CRITICAL PRIORITIES of the federal government,but ALSO USE THE POWER OF THE PURSE TO ATTACH RIDERS .
No path to citizenship for 1.65 million illegals in Texas
When discussing what to do about the 1.65 million ILLEGAL immigrants living in Texas, . . . CRUZ again saidHE DID NOT SUPPORT A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP FOR ILLEGAL immigrants living in America, . . .
Give police more power to ask about immigration status
Cruz accused Dewhurst of using his position as head of the Texas Senate to KILL A BILL last year that would have given police more power to ask anyone they detain about their citizenship status--a charge Dewhurst denied.
Both agreed that the US has FAILED TO SECURE ITS BORDER with Mexico,
and said they OPPOSE AMNESTY for ILLEGAL immigrants and the Obama administration's new directiveallowing many young illegal immigrants brought to the US as children to be exempted from deportation.
Boots on the ground, plus a wall
Border wall: James and Leppert OPPOSE A WALL,
Dewhurst and CRUZ tout "boots on the ground" AND A WALL IN SOME PLACES .
Triple the size of the Border Patrol
CRUZ on immigration: Wants to TRIPLE [the]SIZE of Border Patrol.
Says Dewhurst supported in-state tuition for kids of ILLEGAL immigrants.
Dewhurst: I have always been against an amnesty program."If they want to be a citizen, they ought to go home and reapply."
Dewhurst says he was against tuition for children of illegal immigrants.
Strengthen border security and increase enforcement
Ted Cruz has worked to STRENGTHEN BORDER SECURITY and help ensure that America remains a nation of laws.
Among other efforts, he has worked on efforts to INCREASE PENALTIES for felons WHO ENTER THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY .
Ted authored a U.S. Supreme Court amicus brief on behalf of 10 states in Lopez v. Gonzales,ILLEGALLY .
Let's take a close look at what TED CRUZ said at that time about his amendment to the "Gang of Eight amnesty/ citizenship bill" :
Cruz In 2013 On Providing Legal Status To Illegal Immigrants ( 2:14 )
Published on Nov 12, 2015
U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, Hearing, 5/21/2013:"And I'd like to make a final point to those advocacy groups that are very engaged in this issue
and rightly concerned about addressing our immigration system
and, in particular, about addressing the situation for the 11 million who are currently in the shadows.
If this amendment is adopted to the current bill, the effect would be that those 11 million under this current bill would still be eligible for RPI status.
They would still be eligible for legal status and indeed, under the terms of the bill, they would be eligible for LPR status as well so that they are out of the shadows,
which the proponents of this bill repeatedly point to as THEIR principal objective to provide a legal status for those who are here illegally to be out of the shadows.
This amendment would allow that happen, ...
"But what it would do, is it would REMOVE the pathway to citizenship, for REAL consequences that RESPECT the RULE OF LAW,
and that treat LEGAL Immigrants with the fairness and respect they deserve,
And a second point to those advocates that are so passionately engaged,In my view, if this committee rejects this amendment,
and I think everyone here views that it is quite likely that this committee will indeed reject this amendment,
In my view that decision will make it much, much more likely that this entire bill will FAIL in the House of Representatives.
I don't want immigration reform to fail.
I want immigration reform to pass.
And so I would urge people of good faith on both sides of the aisle,if the objective is to pass common sense immigration reform that SECURES THE BORDERS, that improves LEGAL immigration, and that allows those who are here illegally to come in out of the shadows;
then we should look for areas of bipartisan agreement and compromised to come together.
And this amendment,
I believe, if this amendment were to pass, the chances of this bill passing into law would increase dramatically."
The intent was TO EXPOSE the "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS" AND THE DemocRATS for their dishonesty.
THEY were trying to LEGISLATE the ILLEGAL ALIENS a PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP.
TED CRUZ was trying to amend the Bill so as TO STOP THEM,by REMOVING the pathway to citizenship,
for REAL consequences that RESPECT the RULE OF LAW,
and that treat LEGAL Immigrants with the fairness and respect they deserve.
45 posted on
01/11/2016 1:38:04 AM PST by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Red Steel
Actually, there were nine presidents who were not born in “The United States,” as since “The States” weren’t “United” until 1776, they were born in a British Colony.
To: Red Steel
Well, well, well. So Rand is a birfer now as well because he also recognizes the likelihood of a RAT legal challenge to a Ted Cruz candidacy.
All those people who say that won’t happen have their heads in the sand and refuse to admit the reality that justice is dispensed differently when the target is a conservative rather than a liberal.
And this is true regardless of font size.
52 posted on
01/11/2016 3:33:54 AM PST by
Fresh Wind
(Falcon 105)
To: Red Steel
It is entirely possible that we already have one such.
54 posted on
01/11/2016 4:05:06 AM PST by
arthurus
(Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
To: Red Steel
We don’t have anything except a photoshopped “duplicate” of a birth certificate from the sitting “president” as proof he was natural born. If it wasn’t important fir 7 (long and unconstitutional) years, why now? I don’t see this as an issue...that page has already been successfully torn from the Constitution.
64 posted on
01/11/2016 5:41:22 AM PST by
ThePatriotsFlag
( Anything FREELY-GIVEN by the government was TAKEN from someone else.)
To: Red Steel
WE have one now that was likely not born in the USA. Or at the very least is an Indonesian citizen who attended Occidental college as a foreign student.
69 posted on
01/11/2016 6:18:45 AM PST by
Georgia Girl 2
(The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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