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1 posted on 01/04/2016 12:47:14 PM PST by taraytarah
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Did Judge Aiken act sua sponte or did the prosecution bring a motion for resentencing (if such a thing is even possible)?
2 posted on 01/04/2016 12:50:41 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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Beck is so stupid it hurts.


3 posted on 01/04/2016 12:55:48 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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This is the first I’ve seen details of this case, and I understand why people are p*ssed - what they’re doing to these two is total BS.


6 posted on 01/04/2016 12:58:47 PM PST by skeeter
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I see Beck’s command of the law is right up there with his knowledge of religion and theology.

Epic fail.


7 posted on 01/04/2016 12:58:58 PM PST by NRx (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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Beck can take them some teddy bears and soccer balls.
9 posted on 01/04/2016 1:02:31 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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If they had been illegals, nothing would have happened to them.


10 posted on 01/04/2016 1:03:30 PM PST by kaehurowing
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I don’t have time to look at the case but did they have defense counsel? Where the heck is their defense counsel?


11 posted on 01/04/2016 1:05:31 PM PST by GeaugaRepublican (Angry yes, mad, no.)
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In before someone blames this new sentence on Judge ANN Aiken because she is female - I want to say it myself — WHAT IS THIS DUMB FEMALE DOING? A sentence was given and the two men served it.

We had a Democrat female district Judge who hired a prosecutor to come to the county and stay until he found something to use to prosecute our Republican office holders.


18 posted on 01/04/2016 1:13:58 PM PST by Marcella (CRUZ (Prepping can save your life today))
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To: taraytarah; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; Pelham

It does reek of double jeopardy

But I am familiar with federal sentencing and guidelines which are statutes and bind federal district court judges

One can only get a downward deviation in federal court by a pre sentencing motion 5K-1

Or post sentencing rule 35

Both generally a result of cooperation

In other words the original judge could not deviate just because he wanted to and you can thank your late 80s GOP run Congress for this btw

But some do and usually the USA doesn’t fight back against it

But this one is very political and the USA ..us attorney .. And he had grounds for easy ruling from a higher court

Not that I like the outcome

This is precisely what we warn JBTLs here about

Average poster here has no clue how heavy the govt hand can hit


19 posted on 01/04/2016 1:17:53 PM PST by wardaddy (Save western civilization and save the world....lose it & it's a dark ages unknown to human history)
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Can anyone contact the Pacific Legal Foundation in Sacramento, Calif???


22 posted on 01/04/2016 1:22:33 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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Thought soetoro and the DOJ were against minimum sentences.


26 posted on 01/04/2016 1:23:57 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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This says it all right here, regarding the Hammonds:

Three years ago, U.S. District Judge Michael Hogan, who is now retired, sentenced the father, Dwight Hammond, to three months in prison and the son, Steven Hammond, to one year.

Hogan had reduced the Hammonds' sentences from the five-year minimum required because he said it would have violated the constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment, adding that it would have been "grossly disproportionate to the severity of the offenses here."

In October of last year, after both men had served their sentences, U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken deemed the father-son duo's time served to be too short under federal law and ordered them back to prison Monday, Jan. 4, to serve the five-year sentence.

And what for? when a wildfire threatened, he set a back fire to protect his property.

When invasive, noxious vegetation threatened...he burned it off.

They went after him because he did this on federal land they had leased to him, and some of it got off of the lease onto land that was not being used at all.

This was a gross miscarriage of justice from the get go...and at least the original judge tried to mitigate it.

now they are putting the hammer down after the original sentence was served.

This should be stood against...not to mention all the other ranchers that the Federal government is trying to force out of the area through the expansion of their wildlife refuge.

It is a different set of conditions...but it is the same playbook they used in Klamath in 2001.

And it should be resisted.

27 posted on 01/04/2016 1:26:20 PM PST by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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If the ex-cons had been members of a privileged minority, they would not be back in jail now.


28 posted on 01/04/2016 1:26:37 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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bflr


29 posted on 01/04/2016 1:26:38 PM PST by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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Technically, re-sentencing is not (quite) double jeopardy. However, it certainly violates the spirit of the constitutional prohibition on double jeopardy to re-sentence the convicted "criminals" after their sentence has been served. It also violates any decent person's sense of justice - a consideration that is not relevant to anyone in the Obama Regime.

Even in cases where I would have approved of a longer sentence (a #BlackThugsMatter arsonist instead of a rancher doing a controlled burn), I would not approve of this sort of governmental exercise of power. Once a federal judge sentences a "criminal" and the convicted "criminal" serves his sentence, it's time to let it go.

35 posted on 01/04/2016 1:33:22 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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A couple of interesting videos: The first one is from militia on the ground, posted yesterday. The second is Ammon Bundy speaking about activity by BLM in July 2015, and was posted in December.

Current Situation

BLM Setting Fires/Threatening Ranchers

41 posted on 01/04/2016 1:45:02 PM PST by taraytarah
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The Feds could persuade the State of Oregon to press state charges against the Hammonds. There is no double jeopardy between the Federal Govt and the state governments as far as prosecuting the same crime.


42 posted on 01/04/2016 1:45:29 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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I was in a hurry this am but I remember reading for the first time that the ranchers were accused of poaching and the fires were set to destroy evidence??? All of the “news stories” that come up now quote what appears to be a CNN story from a day or 2 ago and I know that

IT HAS TO BE TRUE WHEN YOU SEE IT IN PRINT

And lazy @ss writers always accept anything that CNN says is true. Can someone from the area direct me to some contemporaneous stories from the trial that either prove or disprove these allegations?


43 posted on 01/04/2016 1:53:38 PM PST by Cyman
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U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken

More Bill Clinton garbage.

44 posted on 01/04/2016 1:56:26 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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The fires occurred in 2001 and 2006. When was the trial, if the appeal was 2014? Was the case prosecuted under Bush or Obama? Was is the Statute of Limitations for these offenses?

Nothing here makes sense. These are bs offenses, especially to prosecute under this code section.


45 posted on 01/04/2016 1:59:26 PM PST by theoilpainter
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